On our paddle with Richard Cohen the other day, I learned he is a gastroenterologist. Being I'm a gastroenterologist's nightmare, we got talking a bit about nutrition. It just made me wonder what most people carry to eat while they're out kayaking. Sure I see plenty of people eating energy bars, but thought maybe someone has some more interesting fare. Duane has his Roll or Drown Squares, but those seem to be just an occasional treat, I'm looking for what's your usual kayaking sustenance! Mark Sanders *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> On our paddle with Richard Cohen the other day, I learned he is a > gastroenterologist. Being I'm a gastroenterologist's nightmare, we > got > talking a bit about nutrition. It just made me wonder what most > people carry > to eat while they're out kayaking. Sure I see plenty of people > eating energy > bars, but thought maybe someone has some more interesting fare. > Duane has > his Roll or Drown Squares, but those seem to be just an occasional > treat, > I'm looking for what's your usual kayaking sustenance! > > > Mark Sanders On a simple day trip: granola bars, GORP, apples, dried fruit (peaches are great!), tea (either a thermos, or I'll bring my WhisperLite and brew some up when I stop), Smarties, Peanut butter and honey sandwich, pepperettes, other salami, beef jerky.... Not all of it at the same time, mind. I don't eat *that* much! -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sardines in Tomato sauce, Sushi if I'm flush, hardboiled egg(s), day-old fried chicken breast (cheap cheap at the grocery store), dates/prunes/nuts/dried fruit bits mix, Spinach (fresh, in sealed bag), apple/orange, baby carrots, sport/energy bars for backup, cheese buns or mini-bagels and cheese, big oatmeal cookies, cold applejuice for lunch, and Rolaids - lots of Rolaids (no, not the inflating roll-aid kind). As an aside to this discussion, as a chronic GERD sufferer (I was down to 159 pounds a couple of years ago as I could not eat anything much for awhile) I find I need to be careful what I eat before kayaking, though at 215 now, I seem to be eating more what I want again. Prior to the real gastric reflux,in 2007, it was mostly routine but intractable heartburn I used to deal with (never now), not the food and acid in the throat thing I deal with now. I remember many an absolutely awful storm paddle, stuck out there, happy to be committed with no egress for a couple of hours, but then succumbing to terrible heartburn to the point of further paddling being almost impossible - dealing with staying upright absorbing most of my physical and emotional energy, then having to battle the onset of heartburn. Thinking back, much of it was diet-induced. Tomato products, milk products (I'd drink condensed milk straight from the can before heading out into a winter gale), peppermint candies (kept as a sugar source), and fruit that was citrus based to name a few. I rather think the seated position in a kayak, bent at the waist, didn't help. As for Peter's "interesting" combinations of meal preparation , well...I just don't understand. Vegemite, honey and cheese - ew! I'd need an Australian "walkabout" after that, looking for the outhouse! :-) Doug Lloyd > On our paddle with Richard Cohen the other day, I learned he is a > gastroenterologist. Being I'm a gastroenterologist's nightmare, we got > talking a bit about nutrition. It just made me wonder what most people > carry > to eat while they're out kayaking. Sure I see plenty of people eating > energy > bars, but thought maybe someone has some more interesting fare. Duane has > his Roll or Drown Squares, but those seem to be just an occasional treat, > I'm looking for what's your usual kayaking sustenance! > > > Mark Sanders *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark Sanders wrote: > On our paddle with Richard Cohen the other day, I learned he is a > gastroenterologist. Being I'm a gastroenterologist's nightmare, we got > talking a bit about nutrition. It just made me wonder what most people carry > to eat while they're out kayaking. Normal stuff, for the most part, unless on a multiday trip: bagel, cheese, apple or orange, nuts, chocolate, granola bars. The bagel/cheese/apple or orange is eaten on a "lunch" break if we take one ... typically on shore somewhere. If we can't go ashore for one reason or another, then we raft up while one person does the lunch prep and the other stabilizes both boats, then separate for the gastronomy. Can't be done in seas or heavy swell very readily, so if we have a rough day, there might not be a lunch break, in which case the stash of other goodies gets depleted, and on the next day, we double up on lunch stuff. And, water, as much as we want, running to two liters. Like you, Mark (and Doug), I'm an acid reflux sufferer (thank, you, hiatal hernia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiatus_hernia ). Yeah, I know, TMI, dude! So, nothing nasty goes down the hatch. Also lactose-intolerant, which rules out all sorts of ready-to-eat stuff. On multiday trips, until we run out, the diet is the same, exchanging hummus from a dried mix and/or tabouli also from dry mix for the cheese. Bagels last quite a while if you get the ones loaded with preservatives. Ditto for pita bread or tortillas. Surprisingly, unless bruised in transit, apples and oranges last about two weeks if you are paddling up here on our cold water in mild (<70 F) temps. We stash the vegies and fruit against the hull, low, and that will carry them for quite a while. [I once was "cabbage man" on an extended trip with a bunch of heavy, healthy eaters: started with eight (8) heads! Every night, I was a strong advocate for cabbage in any form, until the others got tired of it, and I was able to make a gift of the remainder to the gods of the sea on day 12 of 15. I've always wondered if the rockfish ate it, or the crabs.] -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I forgot some stuff from my previous list. Someone else's reply reminded me of it. Flatbread and either the tuna sold in foil pouches, or the little cans of spiced tuna, make excellent roll-up sandwiches. The tuna in foil pouches is a bit much for one person, so we'll often agree beforehand to share. The little cans are just right for one well- stuffed roll-up. The cans we get at the local Loblaws store have the tabbed tops that pull open, so no can opener required. If you're an anti-can, anti-glass type, then you'll be happy to know that we pack the empty cans (after rinsing) back home again for recycling. -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Feb 4, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Mark Sanders wrote: > On our paddle with Richard Cohen the other day, I learned he is a > gastroenterologist. Being I'm a gastroenterologist's nightmare, we got > talking a bit about nutrition. It just made me wonder what most > people carry > to eat while they're out kayaking. Sure I see plenty of people > eating energy > bars, but thought maybe someone has some more interesting fare. > Duane has > his Roll or Drown Squares, but those seem to be just an occasional > treat, > I'm looking for what's your usual kayaking sustenance! > > > Mark Sanders The Feb. issue of Sea Kayaker has an article on just such topic. I'm going to try it out. Paul Montgomery paul_at_paddleandoar.com http://paddleandoar.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com> wrote: > . It just made me wonder what most people carry > to eat while they're out kayaking. I got to thinking about this and realized that I don't often eat when I'm kayaking. Or drink much water for that matter. I've never been "needy" for water even back when I played a lot of tennis or now when I kayak or cross-country ski. And when I'm paddling I just don't think about food unless I'm on a really long trip (which I don't do much of any more). So, having said that, what I do eat when I paddle is usually the mundane: energy bars, raisins, oranges, apples, bananas.IfI remember toget Oreos I'll munch on those. Cheese (Tillamook!) sandwiches are good, too. I do like the tuna and flat bread idea though. I'll have to try that. Kruger's cabbage is a great idea for longer trips. I love cabbage too. Easy to cook on the muthah-ship and easy to carry along. Oh... and if you get "good" beer (not Bud Light) it stays about the right temperature when laid against the hull in our 50F water temps. Caveat beer-drinker as the good stuff mostly comes in bottles so one must take mucho cuidado. Works best on a larger boat Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Dave Kruger"wrote: > Like you, Mark (and Doug), I'm an acid reflux sufferer (thank, you, hiatal > hernia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiatus_hernia ). Me too. I have to be very careful at lunch or I can suffer on the return trip. I powered my way around the Isle of Man with a small water proof plastic bottle of peanuts, a plastic bottle of liquid honey and lots and lots of water. Worked really well except for the last day when I somehow miscalculated the distance and ended up paddling for an additional four hours. Somehow an extra 13 nautical miles got added in to the distance I had to cover. In about the middle of it I found some friends waving to me from shore. I landed and ate everything they had but far too fast. The resulting blood sugar rush almost put me on the floor. I felt nauseous for a few moments walked it off and was able to continue. Some where within the last half mile my plastic bottle of honey was washed off the deck. I felt like Tom Hanks in Cast Away - I'd lost a companion but could not go back for him. I was just to bagged. Gordin Warner Victorian nutter *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On my first trip around Manhattan, I took lots of salted cashews and dried peaches ('cause that's what I like). Well, I got to farting so bad that I thought I would blow off the spray skirt. I now take foods that are less fun. Bill Leonhardt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I'm looking for what's your usual kayaking sustenance! Mark Sanders OK, I have a different problem, I'm gluten intolerant. So, no wheat, barley or rye, or anything that includes said items- most insidious are malt (in lots of candies), modified food starch (lots of commercial soups) and caramel color (lots of everything). I'm ok with oats, some gluten free sufferers are not. I eat on the water as I eat at home. For lunch I usually take a vacuum container (good stainless steel ones are on the market) of homemade soup, with either commercial gluten free crackers or tortilla (corn) chips or potato chips, and a soda, and apple or fruit, and something chocolate. Stagg Chili (canned) is gluten free so sometimes it's chili, instead. For on the water, I found an apparently wheat free granola bar at Costco, seems to digest ok, and water. They also have a processed fruit bar that is ok. For longer trips, I can freeze the homemade soup and use it as part of my packing material for food. I have not found any dehydrated/ freeze dried main dishes or meals that I can eat. Also I can freeze rice with stirfry (need to use wheat free soy sauce such as La Choy). I can plan on potatoes and eggs for breakfast or dinner. There's a great precooked bacon out that's easy to pack and doesn't even need refrigeration! Breakfast- If I have milk (also freezable but difficult to thaw) I will take Rice Chex, now gluten free. Cheerios aren't. Instant oatmeal is usually ok, I find the organic versions have never given me problems. Raisins are good, dried fruit is good. Fresh fruits and veggies are good but usually not practical. There is lots more garbage to haul back with this menu than with freeze dried, but the food is edible, and I enjoy the trip! Pam in Washington State **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> OK, I have a different problem, I'm gluten intolerant. So, no wheat, > barley > or rye, or anything that includes said items- most insidious are > malt (in lots > of candies), modified food starch (lots of commercial soups) and > caramel color > (lots of everything). I'm ok with oats, some gluten free sufferers > are not. I > eat on the water as I eat at home. Sounds like Pam is a candidate for a good dehydrator. You can prepare a lot of food at home to whatever your food tolerances are, dehydrate it, store it in the freezer until needed, and just add water and heat when it's time to eat. I regularly make up batches of chilli and spaghetti sauce and at least one or two serving go into the dehydrator. I store them in double zipper zip-loc freezer bags. I've cooked potatoes in smallish cubes (maybe half an inch square). Cut them after the'ye mostly cooked, but not yet so soft that the cubes fall apart. My friend makes his own beef jerky. I think it should be called jalapeno jerky, it's so hot, but I know he *starts* with lean beef... If you check around, you'll find lots of sources for ideas. Just make sure that any dehydrator you buy come with several trays to handle soupy liquids, so you can dry sauces, fruit leathers, etc. Most only come with one or two, but you can often buy extras from the manufacturer. -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I think Mark's question was more for day trips than multiday (?), however a dehydrator is an excellent way to prepare food for long trips as well as cut down costs for day trips. I bought one last year but darn it if I can find the time to get going with it. I was trying to also put some research into food groups that provide high nutrition for a given weight and bulk as I tend to paddle smaller volume kayaks. Has anyone tried Hemp-Hearts? I looked a bit into current marathon/triathlon diets and was amazed that pasta-loading is out and essential fats are in with some of the top performers. I'm going to give Bob's granola recipe a try. Others welcome. Doug Lloyd >> OK, I have a different problem, I'm gluten intolerant. So, no wheat, >> barley >> or rye, or anything that includes said items- most insidious are >> malt (in lots >> of candies), modified food starch (lots of commercial soups) and >> caramel color >> (lots of everything). I'm ok with oats, some gluten free sufferers >> are not. I >> eat on the water as I eat at home. > > Sounds like Pam is a candidate for a good dehydrator. You can prepare > a lot of food at home to whatever your food tolerances are, dehydrate > it, store it in the freezer until needed, and just add water and heat > when it's time to eat. > > I regularly make up batches of chilli and spaghetti sauce and at > least one or two serving go into the dehydrator. I store them in > double zipper zip-loc freezer bags. > > I've cooked potatoes in smallish cubes (maybe half an inch square). > Cut them after the'ye mostly cooked, but not yet so soft that the > cubes fall apart. > > My friend makes his own beef jerky. I think it should be called > jalapeno jerky, it's so hot, but I know he *starts* with lean beef... > > If you check around, you'll find lots of sources for ideas. > > Just make sure that any dehydrator you buy come with several trays to > handle soupy liquids, so you can dry sauces, fruit leathers, etc. > Most only come with one or two, but you can often buy extras from the > manufacturer. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
-----Original Message----- >From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> >I think Mark's question was more for day trips than multiday (?), > >I was trying to also put some research into food groups that provide high >nutrition for a given weight and bulk as I tend to paddle smaller volume >kayaks. Has anyone tried Hemp-Hearts? > >I looked a bit into current marathon/triathlon diets and was amazed that >pasta-loading is out and essential fats are in with some of the top >performers. >******************** I'm going to have to dig it out and re=read it: "WoodCraft", by Nessmuk (George Washington Sears) was writing about this 'way back in the last 1800s and earliest 19s. He usually started the day with some kind of carb for quick energy, and some fats that would kick in later to sustain that energy input. I think he eschewed a hearty lunch, preferring something light instead, perhaps a stomach filler like parched corn and water instead. I'll have to look it up. Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Joe P. wrote: > -----Original Message----- >> From: Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> I was trying to also put some >> research into food groups that provide high nutrition for a given >> weight and bulk as I tend to paddle smaller volume kayaks. Has anyone >> tried Hemp-Hearts? [Ick and double ick.] >> I looked a bit into current marathon/triathlon diets and was amazed >> that pasta-loading is out and essential fats are in with some of the >> top performers. ******************** > I'm going to have to dig it out and re-read it: "WoodCraft", by Nessmuk > (George Washington Sears) was writing about this 'way back in the last > 1800s and earliest 19s. He usually started the day with some kind of > carb for quick energy, and some fats that would kick in later to sustain > that energy input. I think he eschewed a hearty lunch, preferring > something light instead, perhaps a stomach filler like parched corn and > water instead. I'll have to look it up. I think "nutrition" and Mark are in different universes when it comes to kayak cockpit food. Am I right, Mark? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 12:58 AM, Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote: > I think "nutrition" and Mark are in different universes when it comes to > kayak cockpit food. Am I right, Mark? > > As a "svelte challenged" person myself I have to rise to Mark's defense. Indeed, Mark is responsible for re-introducing me to the PBJ* which is actually not a bad snack, nutrition-wise. The only problem with a PBJ when you're kayaking is that it can be kinda messy; perhaps too much so for the cockpit. Maybe several half-PBJs in separate sandwich-bags. With all the brouhaha surrounding peanuts right now, I'm actually somewhat surprised that peanut butter hasn't been mentioned. I gravitate to the more natural varieties which are now more available than in years past. Although 30 years ago, as members of the Puget Sound Food Coop, we could put peanuts into a grinder and scoop pretty natural peanut butter into a container. We took several of those cruising. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Yep, Craig is right, PBJ halves are what I usually carry if I'm going on a paddle of any length. I tell people if I had to eat one food for every meal for the rest of my life, I'd pick PBJ on toast. Just think of all the cupboard space I'd save! Mark -----Original Message----- As a "svelte challenged" person myself I have to rise to Mark's defense. Indeed, Mark is responsible for re-introducing me to the PBJ* which is actually not a bad snack, nutrition-wise. The only problem with a PBJ when you're kayaking is that it can be kinda messy; perhaps too much so for the cockpit. Maybe several half-PBJs in separate sandwich-bags. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Years ago i gave up on peanut butter for almond butter. Neither regretted the change nor looked back. john santa rosa, ca "With all the brouhaha surrounding peanuts right now, I'm actually somewhat surprised that peanut butter hasn't been mentioned. I gravitate to the more natural varieties which are now more available than in years past. Although 30 years ago, as members of the Puget Sound Food Coop, we could put peanuts into a grinder and scoop pretty natural peanut butter into a container. We took several of those cruising. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Well, I think Richard has some unconventional opinions on nutrition, but he and Duane seemed to completely agree on things. Perhaps when he gets back from his Baja trip he'll open a discussion on his views. I had raisins and beef jerky on the day and Richard didn't seem to approve of the combination. I'm kind of like Craig in that I don't usually drink or eat too much when I paddle, but I don't usually paddle as far as some on the list. My stomach gives me enough trouble though that I might have to try an unconventional diet to see if it helps any. I told Richard I deserved some credit for giving up my lifelong addiction to donuts several years ago, but as Duane pointed out, I often am treating everyone to chips and salsa at the end of a paddle. Salsa, often home made, is my big vice now, but it's probably the healthiest thing I eat. It's just too bad it tastes so good on chips! Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Dave Kruger I think "nutrition" and Mark are in different universes when it comes to kayak cockpit food. Am I right, Mark? -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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