>> Funny, I always think of breaking a forearm or shin bone (connected to the hip bone, connected....) and rarely think of breaking joints, probably because I've never broken one (guess I've led a sheltered life or am really, really tough). I suppose in certain instances you could use your paddle float. >> ************************************************************************** * Actually, a *deflated* paddle float wrapped around a limb and tied or taped might make a good short splint. Comments, anyone? Chuck Holst *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I must have missed how this started----How can anybody break a bone kayaking? I paddle in 6 to 8 ft seas frequently, and have yet to suffer a "collision" with a wave that has the torque to sprain even the weakest muscle, lot less break a bone. What are you guys doing :-) Dan Volker WPB, FL -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Holst <CHUCK_at_multitech.com> To: 'Paddlewise' <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 10:28 AM Subject: [Paddlewise] FW: The Basic Stuff/First > >>> > Funny, I always think of breaking a forearm or shin bone >(connected to the hip bone, connected....) and rarely think of breaking >joints, probably because I've never broken one (guess I've led a >sheltered life or am really, really tough). I suppose in certain >instances you could use your paddle float. >>> > >************************************************************************** * > >Actually, a *deflated* paddle float wrapped around a limb and tied or >taped might make a good short splint. Comments, anyone? > >Chuck Holst >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 10:42:16AM -0400, Dan Volker wrote: > I must have missed how this started----How can anybody break a bone > kayaking? Sea kayaking? Probably by getting hammered into a reef or something that doesn't move. ;-) Whitewater kayaking? *Much* easier. One of the relatively common injuries are broken ankles from pitoning onto a rock after going over a drop. ---Rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
No i haven't broken a bone, but I have been out canoing and stepped on a nail. Just because you are paddling doesn't mean that you don't get out onto land (which is probably more dangerous). On Apr 15, 10:42am, Dan Volker wrote: > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] FW: The Basic Stuff/First > I must have missed how this started----How can anybody break a bone >kayaking? I paddle in 6 to 8 ft seas frequently, and have yet to suffer a >"collision" with a wave that has the torque to sprain even the weakest >muscle, lot less break a bone. What are you guys doing :-) >Dan Volker WPB, FL > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chuck Holst <CHUCK_at_multitech.com> >To: 'Paddlewise' <paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net> >Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 10:28 AM >Subject: [Paddlewise] FW: The Basic Stuff/First > > > >> >>>> >> Funny, I always think of breaking a forearm or shin bone >>(connected to the hip bone, connected....) and rarely think of breaking >>joints, probably because I've never broken one (guess I've led a >>sheltered life or am really, really tough). I suppose in certain >>instances you could use your paddle float. >>>> >> >>************************************************************************** >* >> >>Actually, a *deflated* paddle float wrapped around a limb and tied or >>taped might make a good short splint. Comments, anyone? >> >>Chuck Holst >>*************************************************************************** >>PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >>Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >>Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >>*************************************************************************** >> > >*************************************************************************** >PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List >Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net >Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net >Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ >*************************************************************************** >-- End of excerpt from Dan Volker -- henry o_, _at_ ------------ [\/ o,/ Henry Davies (`-----/----') <-----</-----> OASIS, Inc. ~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~/~~~~~~~~~~ phone: 248.952.1490 x210 fax: 248.952.1493 email: henry_at_orion-sim.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Dan Volker wrote: >> >> I must have missed how this started----How can anybody break a bone >>kayaking? I paddle in 6 to 8 ft seas frequently, and have yet to suffer a >>"collision" with a wave that has the torque to sprain even the weakest >>muscle, lot less break a bone. What are you guys doing :-) >>Dan Volker WPB, FL not everyone here is a kayaker, some of us canoe ;-) also, not all of us do day trips on the ocean. surf landing on the ocean has the potential to break lots of bones. paddling a river, a tree [strainers & sweepers] could get in the way. but more realisticly, a hike around camp, on wet rocks could cause a trip & fall. slip off of a glacier and fall to the ground. step out of a boat onto the shore, foot slides out from underneath you, and on, and on, and on... doesn't have to be IN the boat, but if the boat was how you got there, it's probably how you're getting out [except maybe flight for life] mark #------canoeist[at]netbox[dot]com-------------------------------------- mark zen o, o__ o_/| o_. po box 474 </ [\/ [\_| [\_\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 (`-/-------/----') (`----|-------\-') #~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ http://www.diac.com/~zen/cpr [Colorado Paddlers' Resource] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmskc [Rocky Mtn Sea Kayak Club] http://www.diac.com/~zen/rmcc [Rocky Mtn Canoe Club Trip Page] http://www.diac.com/~zen/mark [personal] -- Fortune: The Zen master steps up to the hot dog cart and says " Make me one with everything" When the Zen master pays with a $20 bill the vendor puts the bill in the cash drawer and closes it. "Where's my change? The vendor responds " Change must come from within" *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
>not everyone here is a kayaker, some of us canoe ;-) >mark > We won't hold that against you mark!!!!!! Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:42 AM 4/15/98 -0400, you wrote: > I must have missed how this started----How can anybody break a bone >kayaking? I paddle in 6 to 8 ft seas frequently, and have yet to suffer a >"collision" with a wave that has the torque to sprain even the weakest >muscle, lot less break a bone. What are you guys doing :-) >Dan Volker WPB, FL > All you need to do is fall off the cliff in the night while gathering firewood for camp. Lacerations are the real concern in kayak first-aid I think, that and hypothermia. (I think you should have to pass a hypothermia test to buy a boat!) ------------------------------------------------------- George Bergeron, Secretary OSWEGO HERITAGE COUNCIL P.O. Box 1041, Lake Oswego, Oregon 97034 Web Site: http://www.europa.com/~heritage/welcome.html Email: heritage_at_europa.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:36 AM 4/15/98 -0700, Geo. Bergeron wrote: >At 10:42 AM 4/15/98 -0400, you wrote: >> I must have missed how this started----How can anybody break a bone >>kayaking? I paddle in 6 to 8 ft seas frequently, and have yet to suffer a >>"collision" with a wave that has the torque to sprain even the weakest >>muscle, lot less break a bone. What are you guys doing :-) >>Dan Volker WPB, FL >> > > All you need to do is fall off the cliff in the night while >gathering firewood for camp. > George Bergeron, Secretary We usally have to step up to get into the ocean down here. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 10:42 AM 4/15/98 -0400, you wrote: > I must have missed how this started----How can anybody break a bone >kayaking? I paddle in 6 to 8 ft seas frequently, and have yet to suffer a >"collision" with a wave that has the torque to sprain even the weakest >muscle, lot less break a bone. What are you guys doing :-) >Dan Volker WPB, FL Dan: That's why things are called "accidents"! I totally blew out my right knee one time while trying to catch a Frisbee tossed by a 4 year old from about six feet away! The result was knee surgery. In a lesser incident, my wife Jeanne who is an very competent BCU 4 Star paddler nearly broke her wrist when a "rental canoeist" ran her into some trees and her hand got pinned between the paddleshaft and a tree limb. Her wrist was purple black for weeks and she had to wear a wrist wrap while paddling for about six months. It could have easily broken a forearm. We'll take 6-8 footers any day! :-) BTW, we were just shooting on location at the Hyatt Pier 66 in Ft Lauderdale and while eating lunch at the beach noticed that the surf was up to about 4' with 15-20 kn SE winds. Hope it holds for you for the weekend! Regards, Robert ________________________________________________________ Robert Starling Member ASMP / APSG Robert Starling Photography, Inc. Orlando, Florida Phone 407 521-0041 Fax 407 521-0031 http://www.starling.com NetGuide Magazine Internet Site Of The Day *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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>On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 10:42:16AM -0400, Dan Volker wrote: >> I must have missed how this started----How can anybody break a bone >> kayaking? > >Sea kayaking? Probably by getting hammered into a reef or something >that doesn't move. ;-)... So far I been staying away from western medicine most of my life, using stuff like tea tree oil, golden seal, ginger and such for injuries... This last winter I got a staph infection while in the phillipines...WHAT A TRIP...It festered quite bad, tea tree and golden seal together did nothing [20 years it worked evert time..] this time it only got worst...My friend from canada who came to join up with me had brought such antibiotics, I took 5 days worth before he left for Indonesia while I went to Vietnam...After 5 days, the first wound got better and healed up, 3 DAYS LATER, a secong one came, THE INFECTION WAS STILL THERE. Tried again with my stuff, no way it just got worst, went and got vietnamese antibiotics, did nothing, a third wound came up and my leg started swelling up...Back to the clininc for better antibiotics...these worked, and after 1 more week it was getting lots better...Having taken Canadian made antibiotics at first, it made the vietnamese useless at first.... When My friend returned to meet me, The wounds looked under control, but to make sure, I took another 15 days of the canadian stuff to be on the safe side... So that made for 6 weeks trying to battle this horrible infection...which I got from a small coral scratch... After this last winter, I am adding Staph antibiotics in my kit in case of oral scratch, I never want to go through that stuff again.... be carefull out there... Yours naturally sylvio lamarche Wycliffe organic gardens & Exotic locales all over the globe *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
sylvio lamarche wrote: > So far I been staying away from western medicine most of my life, using > stuff like tea tree oil, golden seal, ginger and such for injuries... > This last winter I got a staph infection while in the > phillipines...WHAT A TRIP...It festered quite bad, tea tree and golden seal > together did nothing [20 years it worked evert time..] this time it only > got worst...[big snip] > So that made for 6 weeks trying to battle this horrible infection...which I > got from a small coral scratch... > After this last winter, I am adding Staph antibiotics in my kit in case of > coral scratch, I never want to go through that stuff again.... Sylvio, what antibiotic(s) did you decide to add? I'm curious because I don't know what sort of "broad spectrum" antibiotic would be a good one to use. I'm leery of dosing myself with an antibiotic unless I'm sure it will work on the staph strain which caused the infection. Maybe there is a physician on PW who can give out some "free" medical advice ... hope, hope! -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
I am given to understand that 'Food Grade' Hydrogen Peroxide is most efficacious against staph infection applied topically. Can be taken internally as well with three drops of 35% solution grade to an eight oz. glass of water. Doctor Donsbach book 'titled 'Oxygen therapies give the proper protocol to follow' if interested. Anitbiotics which include an anti staphoid toxin serum is standard conventional medical protocol as I understand it. Had staph in my calf once and I never want another needle like that which was given to me. That anti toxin stuff burns like hell. H2O2 is a more powerful oxidizer than tea tree oil for killing staph. Regards. Philip Dave Kruger wrote: > sylvio lamarche wrote: > > > So far I been staying away from western medicine most of my life, using > > stuff like tea tree oil, golden seal, ginger and such for injuries... > > > This last winter I got a staph infection while in the > > phillipines...WHAT A TRIP...It festered quite bad, tea tree and golden seal > > together did nothing [20 years it worked evert time..] this time it only > > got worst...[big snip] > > > So that made for 6 weeks trying to battle this horrible infection...which I > > got from a small coral scratch... > > > After this last winter, I am adding Staph antibiotics in my kit in case of > > coral scratch, I never want to go through that stuff again.... > > Sylvio, what antibiotic(s) did you decide to add? I'm curious because I > don't know what sort of "broad spectrum" antibiotic would be a good one > to use. I'm leery of dosing myself with an antibiotic unless I'm sure > it will work on the staph strain which caused the infection. > > Maybe there is a physician on PW who can give out some "free" medical > advice ... hope, hope! > > -- > Dave Kruger > Astoria, OR > *************************************************************************** > PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List > Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net > Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net > Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ > *************************************************************************** *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:41 PM 4/15/98 -0400, dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: >>not everyone here is a kayaker, some of us canoe ;-) >>mark >We won't hold that against you mark!!!!!! Hey, I resemble that remark! (I canoe too!) Hank *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 08:04 PM 4/15/98 -0700, Hank Hays wrote: >At 08:41 PM 4/15/98 -0400, dldecker_at_mediaone.net wrote: > >>>not everyone here is a kayaker, some of us canoe ;-) >>>mark > >>We won't hold that against you mark!!!!!! > >Hey, I resemble that remark! (I canoe too!) > >Hank > > > > Nobody is perfect we won't it against you , we may not understand you but won't hold it against you. Dana *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Dan wrote; - > I must have missed how this started----How can anybody break a bone >kayaking? I paddle in 6 to 8 ft seas frequently, and have yet to suffer a >"collision" with a wave that has the torque to sprain even the weakest >muscle, lot less break a bone. What are you guys doing :-) Landing in surf is a good way to break paddles and bones. Things don't always go as planned. Also you can break something climbing while waiting for the fog to lift. I don't take anything special for broken bones. Duct tape and most anything you find laying around works. The most useful splint material to my mind is my foam seat pad. Some one mentioned losing keys etc.. Don't know who told me about it but I drilled hole in my credit card (try to miss the black strip on the back) and thread a leather necklace through it. Then I tape my car key to the card. Make sure the leather necklace is just long enough to slip over your head and no more. Of course, it doesn't do any good if you are lost yourself. :-) Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 12:32 PM 4/15/98 -0400, John Winters wrote: > >Landing in surf is a good way to break paddles and bones. Things don't >always go as planned. Also you can break something climbing while waiting >for the fog to lift. > John, to play the devil's advocate for a moment, given your suggestion that one should work to prevent having to roll or self-rescue or paddle in the fog... it seems to me that a person should not be landing in surf or climbing while waiting out the fog. The best way to prevent those possible broken bones is to not attempt the activities that could cause them. What do you think? Bill Ridlon Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
At 06:45 AM 4/17/98 -0400, you wrote: >At 12:32 PM 4/15/98 -0400, John Winters wrote: >> >>Landing in surf is a good way to break paddles and bones. Things don't >>always go as planned. Also you can break something climbing while waiting >>for the fog to lift. >> >John, to play the devil's advocate for a moment, given your suggestion that >one should work to prevent having to roll or self-rescue or paddle in the >fog... it seems to me that a person should not be landing in surf or >climbing while waiting out the fog. The best way to prevent those possible >broken bones is to not attempt the activities that could cause them. What >do you think? >Bill Ridlon >Southern Maine Sea Kayaking Network > OK . . . you're sitting on the porch of the nursing home, well behind the "safety rail," assiduously avoiding every risk. . . . You're wearing your PFD, a belt AND suspenders, Depends undergarments with a "back-up" in the deck bag on the back of your rocking chair. . . !!Wham!! --you get struck by lightning! In the words of Napolean Bonapart, "Merde s'arrive!" ;^) ------------------------------------------------------- George Bergeron, Secretary OSWEGO HERITAGE COUNCIL P.O. Box 1041, Lake Oswego, Oregon 97034 Web Site: http://www.europa.com/~heritage/welcome.html Email: heritage_at_europa.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
Bill wrote; >John, to play the devil's advocate for a moment, given your suggestion that >one should work to prevent having to roll or self-rescue or paddle in the >fog... it seems to me that a person should not be landing in surf or >climbing while waiting out the fog. The best way to prevent those possible >broken bones is to not attempt the activities that could cause them. What >do you think? I see your point, If one considers paddling in fog a thrill and seeks the challenge then it would be appropriate to paddle in fog and even to seek it out just as those who enjoy the thrill and danger of surfing and rock climbing seek those activities out. On the other hand, in climbing or surfing one doesn't run the risk of being run down by another person whose actions you cannot control (at least not normally). That may not be an issue in some localities so paddling in fog probably doesn't pose any problem for some paddlers. One example would be smaller lakes where one cannot get lost and the lake size is such that dangerous waves etc. are highly unlikely. On the other hand, a mistake in navigation in coastwise paddling could cause problems by putting one in a tide race or some such thing that one doesn't want to be in. One might even find oneself on a rocky lee shore. Of course, if one is confident that one's navigation is fool proof or at least pretty good then fog presents no problem. Perhaps this is a bit like the life jacket discussion. I am confident that I won't capsize when paddling around in benign conditions so I don't wear my life jacket even though we have all read here that one should always wear the life jacket no matter what the condition. Perhaps those who are confident in fog can paddle in it anytime they like without danger. Of course, I always have the option of putting on my life jacket when things get rough and the person padding in fog can't make it go away so maybe they aren't exactly congruent problems. Anyway, I suppose I should alter my statement to, Unless one gets a thrill out of paddling in fog and seeks out the challenge then one should endeavour to avoid it but failing that one should possess suitable navigational skills and understand such basic fog techniques as a proper search pattern for a marker unless, of course, one has a GPS that will never fail in which case you only have to worry about others. Cheers, John Winters Redwing Designs Specialists in Human Powered Watercraft http://home.ican.net/~735769/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
.... > >Sylvio, what antibiotic(s) did you decide to add? I'm curious because I >don't know what sort of "broad spectrum" antibiotic would be a good one >to use. I'm leery of dosing myself with an antibiotic unless I'm sure >it will work on the staph strain which caused the infection. > >Maybe there is a physician on PW who can give out some "free" medical >advice ... hope, hope! My friend whose antibiotics I took went to the doctors and asked specific for staph treatment...he had an previous encounter and did not want to take chances.. the label says: APO ERYTHRO EC CP 333 MG I still have to go in and check it out Yours naturally sylvio lamarche Wycliffe organic gardens & Exotic locales all over the globe *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List Submissions: paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net Subscriptions: paddlewise-request_at_lists.intelenet.net Website: http://www.gasp-seakayak.net/paddlewise/ ***************************************************************************
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