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From: A Cominos <anargyro_at_mbay.net>
subject: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:23:38 -0700
Question from a newbie....where does one buy these delicious MREs???? Is
there a large selection???

Thanks.

-Andy <anargyro_at_mbay.net>


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From: <dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:27:44 -0400
Boy you must been under a rock some place to call these MRE's delicious ,
eatable yes , delicious not in this life time.

Dana 


At 10:23 AM 4/13/99 -0700, A Cominos wrote:
>Question from a newbie....where does one buy these delicious MREs???? Is
>there a large selection???
>
>Thanks.
>
>-Andy <anargyro_at_mbay.net>
>
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From: <rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:21:38 -0700
dldecker_at_se.mediaone.net wrote:
> 
> Boy you must been under a rock some place to call these MRE's delicious ,
> eatable yes , delicious not in this life time.
> 
> Dana

You might try Long Life Food Depot at http://www.longlifefood.com.  I
wrote an article in my newsletter about 6 years ago.  Actually, it was
written by my son who is a career soldier.

Here it is:

START ARTICLE---
Sometime last year, I got a phone call from Steve Paley of Port Angeles,
Washington wanting info on folding kayaks.  Somewhere along the line he
brought the conversation around to MREs, i.e. government issue Meals
Ready to Eat.  Steve maintained that they were an ideal food for
kayaking.  I winced.  What a terrible idea!  The butt of jokes during
Desert Storm.  Steve insisted and put my name on the mailing list for a
company that specializes in distributing MREs to the civilian market
(see box).
	My son, Jason, was visiting when I got the catalog from Resourceful
Foods Co. and I showed it to him.  Jason is an authority on the subject
. . . four years in the Army.  A good deal of this was in Germany, not
all bratwurst and beer since his division (the Big Red One) was in the
field one week each month.  And he was with the 24th Mechanized Infantry
in the Saudi desert (definitely no bratwurst and beer) from the very
start of Desert Shield to the 24th’s month long stay in Iraq.
	Jason had a lot of fun looking through the catalog but he basically
agreed with Steve on the merits of MREs.  They may have a point in terms
of price, convenience and nutrition.  Taste, of course, is critical. 
The key, as Jason points out, is knowing which selections are good or
bad and, more importantly, how to deal with them.  Here then is a
critical appraisal written by a veteran of a thousand meals of the
stuff.

	MREs may be Meals Ready To Eat in Army parlance but we soldiers called
them Meals Rejected by Everyone.  At least that was what I was telling
my folks to get the mountains of care packages of cookies, baking and
other food goodies that they, friends and relatives regularly sent us.
	Most people don’t know this, but MREs went through several
generations.  As a veteran of both the old and the new menus, I must say
that the government finally did get around to doing a good job.  With
very few exceptions, the old menus were Grade Z ALPO that even the
hungriest of stray dogs would walk away from.

Surprisingly good choice
	The big problem with MREs is one a civilian would never face -- limited
choices.  In the Army, MREs came in large boxes with a variety of meals
within.  We fought over the best choices or ate them first; then we were
stuck with lesser items.  Too, 12 available selections can get pretty
monotonous when you are eating just MREs for months at a time as I and
others had to do while in Saudi.  The Resourceful Foods people let you
package MREs in various combinations that will avoid the unappealing
items.
	The best thing about MREs is that with a little ingenuity and
imagination, you can come up with a very palatable meal.  For example,
the cheese spread mixes well with just about every meal.  And putting
the main course on a cracker makes a decent open-faced sandwich.

Ideal for kayak camping
	While they may be eaten cold, my suggestions is to avoid this at all
costs, especially the ham slice.  Warm, it is great.  Cold, you have to
scrape off the “ham jelly” before even thinking about eating it.  You
can’t imagine how awful that jelly is if you have to down it cold.
	As a paddler, you never ever need to eat an MRE cold.  Take advantage
of your paddling to warm up one of these meals before you need it.  For
example, slip the MRE under your PFD next to your body, say a half hour
before you think you will pulling up for lunch.  The body warmth
generated by paddling will heat up the ingredients to a tasty level.  If
you have had a long day of paddling, nothing would beat having an MRE
warmed up this way when you feel exhausted.  The meal truly is ready to
eat and high in calories.  It provides a quick pick-me-up to get you
going again to set up camp and prepare a regular meal later, which could
be another MRE or something else you may like.
	Another plus.  Since MREs contain liquid, in effect, they add to your
water supply.   The MREs do not have to be re-hydrated as do freeze
dried foods.  This saves your water for other uses.

How to heat the right way
	One note about heating them.  The MRE pouches have some notches on
them.  The Army intends you to tear the foil at these notches after
heating and then eat out of the top.  Wrong!  The best way to eat out of
the pouch is to tear the package along its length, not at the top.  This
gives you a wider opening for spooning out the last morsels without
getting residue all over your fingers as you do when digging in from the
top.  Another proof of the truth of the old saying that there is the
right way, the wrong way and the Army way.
	To heat your meal, just boil water.  It need not be clean water, since
the contents of the package are never in contact with it.  So you can
use brackish or salt water without risk.  By the way, the Leatherman
tool (Folding Kayaker, July/August 1991) is a handy device for dealing
with a hot MRE.  In Saudi, I found that the Leatherman’s pliers worked
well for fishing MREs out of boiling pots.  Since I always had the one
my dad sent me in my pocket, I usually could beat my buddies to the
choicer selections.
	Another note about MREs: easy disposal and cleanup.  You eat the main
meal out of the pouch.  Other items come in their own wrapping.  And all
of it is in a larger foil container.  When you finished, the larger
wrapper is a ready garbage bag for storing everything until you can
dispose of it.

The Ins and Outs of MREs
	The meals, while high in calories, can leave you feeling hungry.  To
fill your stomach, you need to eat a couple.  It’s the same as with
freeze dried foods which claim they can feed two people but are really
only practical for one person.  I’ve looked over the selection of MREs
in the catalog.  Here are my evaluations, suggestions and comments
starting with the good ones, marked with a thumbs up, and ending with a
thumbs down for those to avoid except when starved (maybe not even
then).


Up	Meatballs  	Great on crackers or bread.

Up	Spaghetti	The best of the bunch.

Up	Ham slice	Heat it up.

Up	Chicken	Needs tabasco sauce.
	with rice	

Up	Escalloped	Heat it up.
	potatoes
	with ham	

Up	Bread		This is one of the true delights of the MRE family.  Almost
worth killing your buddy for.

Up	Applesauce	Don’t bother with spoon; cut off corner of packet and
squeeze.

Up	Jelly		Something no one can mess up, not even the Army.

Up	Peanut butter	Be sure to follow instructions and knead well.

Up	Pound cake	Ranges from OK to great.  Old fruit cake was a loser.
Up	Chocolate	Affectionately known as
	cookies		“track pads.”


Down	Tuna with	Never have tried it, never
	noodles		will; looks like brain matter.

Down	Potatoes	aka Potatoes All Rotten.
	Au Gratin	

Down	Oatmeal	Tastes like sweet compressed
	cookie bar	sand; aka sand bar.  

END ARTICLE

That was written back in 1993.  I believe there are new flavors of the
stuff.  The source used then was Resourceful Foods Co at 1-800-SUBSIST
but they may have moved or changed.  So try that website mentioned
above.

ralph diaz
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From: James Lofton <n5yyx_at_etsc.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:02:35 -0700
Very well written!! HOWEVER, just like anything else, what some people 
will eat and enjoy, some people can't stand.(my wife throws up at the 
sight of ice cream)

I personally like them all, hot, warm, or cold. Yep, even the rejects 
below. (the oatmeal bars are one of the best!!)
Maybe it has something to do with having a rough winter or two in 
alaska.? :>)

Locally, MREs can be found at the local military surplus store and on the 
base, at the BX. Prices vary. Much cheaper by the case.

Send all unwanted MREs to:
James....., hungry in NM

rdiaz_at_ix.netcom.com wrote:
 
> Down    Tuna with       Never have tried it, never
>         noodles         will; looks like brain matter.
> 
> Down    Potatoes        aka Potatoes All Rotten.
>         Au Gratin
> 
> Down    Oatmeal Tastes like sweet compressed
>         cookie bar      sand; aka sand bar.
> 
> END ARTICLE
> 
> That was written back in 1993.  I believe there are new flavors of the
> stuff.  The source used then was Resourceful Foods Co at 1-800-SUBSIST
> but they may have moved or changed.  So try that website mentioned
> above.
> 
> ralph diaz

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From: David Seng <David_at_wainet.com>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:38:42 -0800
Check this web site for a list of MRE dealers -
 http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/INFO_Files/MRE_Sources.html

Dave Seng
Juneau, Alaska
> 
> At 10:23 AM 4/13/99 -0700, A Cominos wrote:
> >Question from a newbie....where does one buy these delicious 
> MREs???? Is
> >there a large selection???
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >-Andy <anargyro_at_mbay.net>
> >
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From: <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:37:36 -0400
|Question from a newbie....where does one buy these delicious MREs???? Is
|there a large selection???

Besides the other places already given, the best mail order prices I have
seen
are from Sportsmans Guide.  I think their phone number is 1-800-888-3006.
The best prices I see are a case, 12 meals, for about $50.  Watch the
shipping though.  A case is heavy.

I have not bought anynew MREs since the early 90s.  Still have a case plus
of the old stuff.

Hope this helps....
Dan.


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From: James Lofton <n5yyx_at_etsc.net>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:14:55 -0700
dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com wrote:
> 
> |Question from a newbie....where does one buy these delicious MREs???? Is
> |there a large selection???
> 
> Besides the other places already given, the best mail order prices I have
> seen
> are from Sportsmans Guide.  I think their phone number is 1-800-888-3006.
> The best prices I see are a case, 12 meals, for about $50.  Watch the
> shipping though.  A case is heavy.
>

Be VERY careful in reading the ad, before you order any MREs from the 
above company. The wording is tricky and you likely won't be getting a 
full "unopened" MRE, at the above price. They sell it as "entree" only 
and also complete meals that have been sorted through.(you will only get 
the culls)
They are advertising a sealed case for $59.97, and half case for $34.97. 
That's in the latest catalog I have.
As Dan mentioned, the shipping adds alot, PLUS this company will tag you 
for quite alot for the handling.

Just a word from someone that has bought from them, once.

James, hiding my oatmeal bars from Dan.. :>)

 
> I have not bought anynew MREs since the early 90s.  Still have a case plus
> of the old stuff.
> 
> Hope this helps....
> Dan.
>


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From: Neil Somos <Neil.Somos_at_mailhost.bellhow.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 12:27:21 -0400 (EDT)
James Lofton warns us about MRE's from Sportsmans Guide ...
> Be VERY careful in reading the ad, before you order any MREs from the 
> above company. The wording is tricky and you likely won't be getting a 
> full "unopened" MRE, at the above price. They sell it as "entree" only 
> and also complete meals that have been sorted through.(you will only get 
> the culls)
> They are advertising a sealed case for $59.97, and half case for $34.97. 
> That's in the latest catalog I have.
> As Dan mentioned, the shipping adds alot, PLUS this company will tag you 
> for quite alot for the handling.

I've gotten two cases from Sportsmans Guide and have been satisfied.
Just a reminder that much of the stuff sold IS from surplus and
closeouts.  Reading carefully is often good advice.

Gary Olen has a 100% satisfaction guarantee.  If after trying
some of the MRE's and you don't like them, I think you could
ship back the unopened ones and get a pro-rated refund for
those you send back.  You would be out the shipping and the
cost of the ones you had 'tested'.  Still not a bad deal.

The only MRE's I have gotten have included the dessert and the
cracker and the spread (for cracker) and two entrees one of which
almost invariably turns out to be some sort of rice concoction.
There is also some powder to mix with water for a drink but I
don't think I have ever been tempted to try one of those.   
Then again I often consider myself lucky and I might just have
been very lucky.

Personally I like the Tuna Noodle stuff and I also greatly enjoy
the oatmeal bars too.  I like keeping a few around for 'just in
case'.  I can toss a couple in a bag and head out for any adventure
knowing that I won't go too hungry.  If you have a 'euro-sealer'
you can even re-use the outer bags to waterproof and protect your
own stuff ... whatever that may be.

As much as I like the MRE's, they are a bit pricey though.
 What I've also found good and
inexpensive are various 'Dinty Moore American Classics Entrees'.
Although these don't qualify as complete meals, they are good
entrees and they are far less expensive than the MRE's.
I've found them at 'Super K-Marts' and at a local discount
shop known as 'Marcs' for as little as $1.50 each.  Inside the
box is an oval plastic bowl with a plastic covering that is
sealed air-tight over the food inside.  These require no
refrigeration and are basically like canned goods, only stored
in plastic.  I've put them in a pot of boiling water for about
10 minutes and then enjoyed the hot contents.  When I ride my
bike to work, I can take them along and pop them in the
microwave to enjoy there.        

Certainly I don't expect the Dinty Moores to have anywhere 
near the shelf-life of the MRE's and the are not a complete
meal.  I go through them pretty fast and they don't cost
much for what I get.

neal_at_bellhow.com
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From: <dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:49:16 -0400
Good list.  Thanks for the info.

BUT, 8-)  I like the tuna noodles.  It is one of my favorites!  8-)

The oatmeal bars I buy to eat as my energy food when paddling.  My wifey
even likes the oatmeal bars.  Much better than a candy bar.  The oatmeal
bars take the heat and the foil package makes it water proof.  A Hershey
bar with almonds may be YumYum but it is a bit sticky to eat after after a
couple of hours in hot weather.  One caveat about the oatmeal bars.  They
don't float.  I watched one flutter to the bottom of a lake one day.  Felt
really quilty about the pollution aspect.  That is until I paddled another
mile or so and started seeing the basketball sized, hmmm, hmmm, "stuff",
that was floating in the water from the sewage spill the week before.  The
spill had been contained and cleaned up according to the several news
reports.  My a...s it was.  Foam all over the water and the "stuff".  Went
into low and slow paddling mode when I hit the "stuff". I was on a 20 mile
paddle, 10 miles up the lake and 10 miles back.  At least 5 miles of the
west shore was "foamed" because of the spill.  Sick thing was that people
were swimming in the water on the east side.  My hat got wet.  A'int wore
that hat in a year.  8-)  Left it in the sun all summer long of the UV to
sanitize.  Still cant wear that hat.....

Later....
Dan McCarty



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From: Larry Mills <millsl_at_purchase.edu>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:10:31 -0000
'Ya know, if you just enlist you can get those meals for free.

Larry "I've done my time" Mills

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|Question from a newbie....where does one buy these delicious MREs???? Is
|there a large selection???

Besides the other places already given, the best mail order prices I have
seen
are from Sportsmans Guide.  I think their phone number is 1-800-888-3006.
The best prices I see are a case, 12 meals, for about $50.  Watch the
shipping though.  A case is heavy.

I have not bought anynew MREs since the early 90s.  Still have a case plus
of the old stuff.

Hope this helps....
Dan.


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From: Scott Ives <ssives_at_erols.com>
subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 15:11:49 -0400
Larry,

  What a bargain!  And I can eat all the MRE's I want?  I also love cleaning
toilets, can I do more of that as well?  ;-)

 - Scott

Larry Mills wrote:

> 'Ya know, if you just enlist you can get those meals for free.
>
> Larry "I've done my time" Mills
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com [SMTP:dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com]
> Sent:   Wednesday, April 14, 1999 1:38 PM
> To:     paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
> Subject:        Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
>
> |Question from a newbie....where does one buy these delicious MREs???? Is
> |there a large selection???
>
> Besides the other places already given, the best mail order prices I have
> seen
> are from Sportsmans Guide.  I think their phone number is 1-800-888-3006.
> The best prices I see are a case, 12 meals, for about $50.  Watch the
> shipping though.  A case is heavy.
>
> I have not bought anynew MREs since the early 90s.  Still have a case plus
> of the old stuff.
>
> Hope this helps....
> Dan.
>
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From: John David Fuller <jfuller_at_newlink.net>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:25:12 -0400
Those who have had to live off of them for any period of time will most
likely agree....TABASCO SAUCE...!

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Subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???


'Ya know, if you just enlist you can get those meals for free.

Larry "I've done my time" Mills

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Subject:	Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???




|Question from a newbie....where does one buy these delicious MREs???? Is
|there a large selection???

Besides the other places already given, the best mail order prices I have
seen
are from Sportsmans Guide.  I think their phone number is 1-800-888-3006.
The best prices I see are a case, 12 meals, for about $50.  Watch the
shipping though.  A case is heavy.

I have not bought anynew MREs since the early 90s.  Still have a case plus
of the old stuff.

Hope this helps....
Dan.


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From: Larry Mills <millsl_at_purchase.edu>
subject: RE: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:51:38 -0000
Scott

Not only cleaning toilets, you can do as many unnecessary 
push-ups as you'd like, wake up at really odd hours so you 
can fire a weapon at complete strangers and with luck, 
Scotch still only costs 25 cents a drink in the NCO club.

What could be better.

Larry
-----Original Message-----
From:	Scott Ives [SMTP:ssives_at_erols.com]
Sent:	Wednesday, April 14, 1999 7:12 PM
To:	Larry Mills
Cc:	'dmccarty_at_us.ibm.com'; paddlewise_at_lists.intelenet.net
Subject:	Re: [Paddlewise] Where do you buy MREs???


Larry,

  What a bargain!  And I can eat all the MRE's I want?  I also love cleaning
toilets, can I do more of that as well?  ;-)

 - Scott


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