An FYI. From a fellow who dug this out of the USCG archives. He wants info to update this if you have more current data. This is from 1999. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR -- From: Hidden Valley Lake <heberling_at_earthlink.net> Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 05:40 AM I've always been interested in avoiding putting numbers on my Folbots. When I travel with my Folbots, I avoid states requiring registration. Searching for a compilation of registration laws for all the states on the web, I found that state registration of canoes and kayaks is a hot topic on the web (not only on the Folbot Web Board). The best compilation I could find was in a USCG report, "BOATING STATISTICS - 1999" (http://www.uscgboating.org/saf/pdf/Boating_Statistics_1999.pdf) U.S. Department of Transportation, United States Coast Guard. The report is 3 years old. Arizona was the only state I knew about that needed updating. If anyone finds any errors, please let us know. One thing missing in this information is whether a state requiring registration would accept an unregistered boat of a visitor from another state not requiring registration. I don't think any would. A BoatUS web page has info about reciprocity laws for each state (http://www.boatus.com/gov/f9.htm), but this only applies to registered boats. Boat registration requirements by state (Does not include sailboards which are numbered in some States): Alabama - All motorboats, sailboats and rental boats Alaska - All watercraft except sailboats; unpowered boats if requested Arizona - All watercraft, except inflatables 12 feet in length or less (UPDATE: Arizona paddlers got legislation passed that ended the state's requirement to register and number canoes, kayaks and rafts. The bill was passed over the objections of the Arizona Department of Game and Fish.) Arkansas - All motorboats and sailboats California - All motorboats; sailboats over 8 feet in length Colorado - All watercraft powered by motor or sail Connecticut - All motorboats; sailboats 19.5 feet or more in length Delaware - All motorboats Dist. of Col. - All watercraft Florida - All motorboats Georgia - All motorboats; sailboats 12 feet or more in length Hawaii - All motorboats; sailboats over 8 feet in length Idaho - All motorboats and sailboats Illinois - All watercraft, except non-profit org. owned canoes and kayaks Indiana - All motorboats Iowa - All watercraft except inflatables under 7 feet in length and canoes/kayaks under 13 feet in length Kansas - All motorboats and sailboats Kentucky - All motorboats, except electric motors 1 hp or less Louisiana - All motorboats; sailboats more than 12 feet in length Maine - All motorboats Maryland - All motorboats Massachusetts - All motorboats Michigan - All watercraft except manually propelled boats 16 feet or less in length, and nonmotorized rafts, canoes, and kayaks Minnesota - All motorboats except nonmotorized boats nine feet or less in length, duckboats during duckhunting season, riceboats during harvest season, and seaplanes Mississippi - All motorboats and sailboats Missouri - All motorboats; sailboats over 12 feet in length Montana - All motorboats; sailboats 12 feet or more in length Nebraska - All watercraft Nevada - All motorboats New Hampshire - All motorboats; sailboats 20 feet or more in length New Jersey - All watercraft except non-motorized boats 12 feet or less in length and canoes, kayaks, racing shells and rowing sculls New Mexico - All motorboats and sailboats New York - All motorboats North Carolina - All motorboats; sailboats more than 14 feet in length North Dakota - All motorboats Ohio - All watercraft Oklahoma - All watercraft Oregon - All motorboats; sailboats 12 feet or more in length Pennsylvania - All motorboats and non-powered craft using lakes or access areas owned by the State Fish & Boat Commission Rhode Island - All watercraft except rowboats, canoes, kayaks & ferries South Carolina - All watercraft South Dakota - All motorboats; all other boats over 12 feet in length Tennessee - All motorboats and sailboats Texas - All motorboats and sailboats 14 feet or more in length Utah - All motorboats and sailboats Vermont - All motorboats Virginia - All motorboats Washington - All motorboats except motorboats < 16 feet with motors 10 horsepower or less used solely on exclusive State waters; all sailboats >16 ft in length West Virginia - All motorboats Wisconsin - All motorboats; sailboats over 12 feet in length Wyoming - All motorboats and sailboats Guam - All watercraft Puerto Rico - All motorboats; vessels adapted to hold a motor Virgin Islands - All watercraft Am. Samoa - All watercraft N. Marianas - All motorboats Hope this is useful Paul Heberling *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave, THANK YOU for the list, but I question NJ. I contacted DMV in Lawrenceville, NJ, whom informed me that kayaks & canoes are exempt. And when I have been approached by park officials, it was only confirm that I have (not be wearing) a coast guard-approved PFD. Niels > An FYI. From a fellow who dug this out of the USCG archives. He wants info to > update this if you have more current data. This is from 1999. > > -- > Dave Kruger > Astoria, OR > -- > > From: Hidden Valley Lake <heberling_at_earthlink.net> > Date: Saturday, February 23, 2002 05:40 AM > > I've always been interested in avoiding putting numbers on my Folbots. When I > travel with my Folbots, I avoid states requiring registration. Searching for a > compilation of registration laws for all the states on the web, I found that > state registration of canoes and kayaks is a hot topic on the web (not only on > the Folbot Web Board). The best compilation I could find was in a USCG report, > "BOATING STATISTICS - 1999" > (http://www.uscgboating.org/saf/pdf/Boating_Statistics_1999.pdf) U.S. > Department of Transportation, United States Coast Guard. > > The report is 3 years old. Arizona was the only state I knew about that needed > updating. If anyone finds any errors, please let us know. One thing missing in > this information is whether a state requiring registration would accept an > unregistered boat of a visitor from another state not requiring registration. I > don't think any would. A BoatUS web page has info about reciprocity laws for > each state (http://www.boatus.com/gov/f9.htm), but this only applies to > registered boats. > > Boat registration requirements by state (Does not include sailboards which are > numbered in some States): > > Alabama - All motorboats, sailboats and rental boats > Alaska - All watercraft except sailboats; unpowered boats if requested > Arizona - All watercraft, except inflatables 12 feet in length or less (UPDATE: > Arizona paddlers got legislation passed that ended the state's requirement to > register and number canoes, kayaks and rafts. The bill was passed over the > objections of the Arizona Department of Game and Fish.) > Arkansas - All motorboats and sailboats > California - All motorboats; sailboats over 8 feet in length > Colorado - All watercraft powered by motor or sail > Connecticut - All motorboats; sailboats 19.5 feet or more in length > Delaware - All motorboats > Dist. of Col. - All watercraft > Florida - All motorboats > Georgia - All motorboats; sailboats 12 feet or more in length > Hawaii - All motorboats; sailboats over 8 feet in length > Idaho - All motorboats and sailboats > Illinois - All watercraft, except non-profit org. owned canoes and kayaks > Indiana - All motorboats > Iowa - All watercraft except inflatables under 7 feet in length and > canoes/kayaks under 13 feet in length > Kansas - All motorboats and sailboats > Kentucky - All motorboats, except electric motors 1 hp or less > Louisiana - All motorboats; sailboats more than 12 feet in length > Maine - All motorboats > Maryland - All motorboats > Massachusetts - All motorboats > Michigan - All watercraft except manually propelled boats 16 feet or less in > length, and nonmotorized rafts, canoes, and kayaks > Minnesota - All motorboats except nonmotorized boats nine feet or less in > length, duckboats during duckhunting season, riceboats during harvest season, > and seaplanes > Mississippi - All motorboats and sailboats > Missouri - All motorboats; sailboats over 12 feet in length > Montana - All motorboats; sailboats 12 feet or more in length > Nebraska - All watercraft > Nevada - All motorboats > New Hampshire - All motorboats; sailboats 20 feet or more in length > New Jersey - All watercraft except non-motorized boats 12 feet or less in > length and canoes, kayaks, racing shells and rowing sculls > New Mexico - All motorboats and sailboats > New York - All motorboats > North Carolina - All motorboats; sailboats more than 14 feet in length > North Dakota - All motorboats > Ohio - All watercraft > Oklahoma - All watercraft > Oregon - All motorboats; sailboats 12 feet or more in length > Pennsylvania - All motorboats and non-powered craft using lakes or access areas > owned by the State Fish & Boat Commission > Rhode Island - All watercraft except rowboats, canoes, kayaks & ferries > South Carolina - All watercraft > South Dakota - All motorboats; all other boats over 12 feet in length > Tennessee - All motorboats and sailboats > Texas - All motorboats and sailboats 14 feet or more in length > Utah - All motorboats and sailboats > Vermont - All motorboats > Virginia - All motorboats > Washington - All motorboats except motorboats < 16 feet with motors 10 > horsepower or less used solely on exclusive State waters; all sailboats >16 ft > in length > West Virginia - All motorboats > Wisconsin - All motorboats; sailboats over 12 feet in length > Wyoming - All motorboats and sailboats > Guam - All watercraft > Puerto Rico - All motorboats; vessels adapted to hold a motor > Virgin Islands - All watercraft > Am. 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Thanks for the list Dave. I have a slight modification for Minnesota: Minnesota - All watercraft except: a ship's lifeboat, nonmotorized boats nine feet or less in length, duckboats during duckhunting season, riceboats during harvest season, and seaplanes *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
THANK YOU for the list, but I question NJ. I contacted DMV in Lawrenceville, NJ, whom informed me that kayaks & canoes are exempt. And when I have been approached by park officials, it was only confirm that I have (not be wearing) a coast guard-approved PFD. Niels True enough... Ever since NJ privatized NJ Motor Vehicle inspection ( a move that is now only surpassed by Enron, but that's another tale) the Motor Vehicles Department is the only agency in the state to do registrations. They will only register vehicles, boats, whatever, to which a certificate of title must be issued. The language of the regulations specifically exempts human powered boats and sailboats below a certain size. Curiously, if you really really wanted to register your canoe and put those big numbers all over your boat, they will do so for you. Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The report is 3 years old. Arizona was the only state I knew about that needed updating. If anyone finds any errors, please let us know. One thing missing in this information is whether a state requiring registration would accept an unregistered boat of a visitor from another state not requiring registration. I don't think any would. --Pennsylvania certainly does not..... *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 2/23/2002 8:49:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, dkruger_at_pacifier.com writes: > Dist. of Col. - All watercraft > I didn't know this and have never been challenged by Park police, police on the water, nor by anyone else in 25 years on DC waters. It makes me wonder if it is an interpretation the police have or they just don't care about private kayaks and canoes. Joan Spinner Yellow/white CD Gulfstream red CD Breeze Paddling somewhere the around the Chesapeake Bay *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 5:47 PM -0800 2/23/02, Dave Kruger wrote: ><snip> >Connecticut - All motorboats; sailboats 19.5 feet or more in length <snip> Just last week a group of kayakers and other boaters went to the CT Legislative office building to voice their disapproval of a bill that would require registration of all water vessels regardless of size of source of power. Their efforts seemed to have been successful. The registration was not the worst part. As part of the overall boating law there is a statement saying all operators of a registered vessel must pass a class and get certified. This kind of legislation appears every few years. This time the reasoning was "homeland security", some home owners on islands were "concerned" that some kayaker may paddle up with a boat full of high explosives and destroy their house. Nick -- Nick Schade Guillemot Kayaks 824 Thompson St Glastonbury, CT 06033 (860) 659-8847 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Here in Illinois one must prove that the sales tax was paid before registration is allowed. Since registration of a kayak costs less than the cost of processing the application, the whole thing is a tax issue. For boats purchased out of state, the difference between sales tax paid and the Illinois rate must be paid, unless more was paid out of state. But for a few bucks, it isn't so bad. We paddlers have been able to get the state to pay for access points [which for the disabled is a godsend and it isn't so bad for less adventurous paddlers, either] by pointing out that we are paying our fees. Jim Tibensky _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Here in Illinois one must prove that the sales tax was paid before registration is allowed. Since registration of a kayak costs less than the cost of processing the application, the whole thing is a tax issue. For boats purchased out of state, the difference between sales tax paid and the Illinois rate must be paid, unless more was paid out of state. The same is true in Pennsylvania. It's $10 for two years. And they want their piece of the taxes, too. This year (and it's a current topic of discussion on the PA paddling listservs) you do not necessarily have to have human-powered boats registered to use F&B accesses. --But you have to have a launching permit, which costs you $10 per year per boat. What do you get for that extra $5? You don't have to deface your boat with those big serial numbers.... But for a few bucks, it isn't so bad. We paddlers have been able to get the state to pay for access points [which for the disabled is a godsend and it isn't so bad for less adventurous paddlers, either] by pointing out that we are paying our fees. Access points and a few other things are what those fees are supposed to be used for in PA, too. But somehow they find reasons why they can't put in access points where they're needed. And they still have a strong preference for fishermen. The Lackawaxen, for example, is now closed to paddlers even though historically it was used by them. Fishermen still OK. They say it's a local issue therefore not their problem even if it is a F&B river... Joe P. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
James Tibensky wrote: > > Here in Illinois one must prove that the sales tax was paid before > registration is allowed. Since registration of a kayak costs less than the > cost of processing the application, the whole thing is a tax issue. For > boats purchased out of state, the difference between sales tax paid and the > Illinois rate must be paid, unless more was paid out of state. > > But for a few bucks, it isn't so bad. Any idea what the procedure is for out-of-state vacationers who want to use their kayaks in Illinois but who come from a state where kayaks are not registered? I know I'd have trouble even coming up with a bill of sale for either of my boats (34 and 9 years old) and they have never been registered or titled. Should I just continue to avoid states that require registration when traveling with a kayak? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
A couple of comments as I'm familiar with the Illinois situation. 1. Not only is boat registration a tax issue, each state also gets Federal money based on the number of registered boats in the state. Don't know the details of the Federal match monies, but the IL DNR told us this when we were fighting the registration law in '88. 2. One may visit Illinois from a state that doesn't require registration, and not have to worry about getting a ticket for non-registration. Again, this was a comment from DNR staffers in 1988, while the text from the link below states "...Watercraft shall not be required to be registered and titled under this Act if it is ...... Already covered by a number in full force and effect from another state, if such boat will not be used within this State for a period in excess of 60 consecutive days." You would no doubt have to prove your non-resident status, though. I live in IN, and have been waiting to get stopped for lack of boat registration in IL for 14 years - just for the amusement factor - but so far I've been unlucky. I know the situation is different in MN, as even out-of-staters with no home-state registration law must have a boat registration sticker to paddle the Boundary Waters. the Illinois boat registration law (excerpted) is available online - see http://ws1.coopfish.siu.edu/Stat_rul/ILLREG.htm Regards, Erik Sprenne > James Tibensky wrote: > > > > Here in Illinois one must prove that the sales tax was paid before > > registration is allowed. Since registration of a kayak costs less than the > > cost of processing the application, the whole thing is a tax issue. For > > boats purchased out of state, the difference between sales tax paid and the > > Illinois rate must be paid, unless more was paid out of state. > > > > But for a few bucks, it isn't so bad. > Peter Rathman wrote: > Any idea what the procedure is for out-of-state vacationers who want to > use their kayaks in Illinois but who come from a state where kayaks are > not registered? > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The other option is to break down and register in a state. I hadn't bothered to register my canoe in Illinois. But when I took it to Boundary Waters I had to get a Minnesota registration before the outfitter would shuttle it. Since he didn't sell registrations I tended to believe him when he said he could lose his license. As far as I know once your boat is registered in one state you are OK in all but your home state. Pick one that is cheap and doesn't require big ugly numbers. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Never miss a good chance to shut up." Will Rogers WhiteRabbit - ICQ#111665477 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Rathmann" <prathman_at_attbi.com> To: <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> > Should I just continue to avoid states that require registration when > traveling with a kayak? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, WhiteRabbit wrote: [snip] > As far as I know once your boat is registered in one state you are OK in all > but your home state. Pick one that is cheap and doesn't require big ugly > numbers. it turns out our state [colorado] doesn't require registration, but when we went to the Boundary Waters, we found we had to either register our boats there or here... so we made platics "signs" that we hung on our boats with the reg numbers, once we left, we pulled them off ;-) mark -- #------seakayaker[at]dotzen[dot]org-----/------------------------------ mark zen o__/ o_/| o_. po box 474 [\/ [__| [__\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 `\--------/--------/' (`----|-------\-') http://www.dotzen.org/folks/markz ~~/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ #---------------------------------------------------------------------- A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner. ~~ English Proverb http://www.dotzen.org/paddler - Rocky Mountain Sea Kayak Club, The Colorado Paddlers' Resource *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Nick wrote..."This kind of legislation appears every few years. This time the reasoning was "homeland security", some home owners on islands were "concerned" that some kayaker may paddle up with a boat full of high explosives and destroy their house." Wow! These homeland security types are sharp. Why just the other day I figured I could load 100 pounds of fertilizer in the forward hatch and about 100 gallons of ammonia in the rear. I'd launch here in Victoria, paddle down the coast, through Panama the Carib and up the east coast to Connecticut and blow up a house. I was working on an ignition system when I read Nick's post. Now that they're on to me I'll revert back to plan A - trained shark attacks. Gordin Warner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
WhiteRabbit wrote: > > Should I just continue to avoid states that require registration when > > traveling with a kayak? > > The other option is to break down and register in a state. That raises the question as to which states make this as simple and painless as possible, especially for out-of-state residents. The link Erik provided to Illinois rules indicates that one must provide the following documentation: "New boats: you must surrender the original properly endorsed Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin; Boats previously registered or titled in another state: you must surrender the owner's registration certificate and/or title; Illinois titled boats: you must surrender the owner's Illinois title." My 34-year-old Folbot kayak was built from a kit and has no documentation of any kind nor any identifying hull or serial number. When we moved to California I sold the sailrig for it rather than deal with the DMV in getting it registered as a sailboat. Minnesota's rules state "When you register your boat for the first time, know its ... serial or hull identification number (HIN) and have a sales receipt that shows you have paid the sales tax." Besides the lack of a HIN, my boat was purchased in a private transaction 21 years ago and there was no sales receipt nor was any sales tax paid. I'm willing to pay the $10 or so in sales tax, but short of forgery I don't see how I can meet the documentation requirements. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
When I registered my canoe in Minnesota I did not have any ownership papers. I didn't have any problem registering it. I don't know if the fact it was 10 years old had any bearing on that. With the thousands of visitors every year, I expect they are used to it. I'm about to find out what happens in Illinois when you don't have paperwork on the boat. I don't have any for my CLC Chesapeake. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Never miss a good chance to shut up." Will Rogers WhiteRabbit - ICQ#111665477 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:05 PM 2/25/02 -0600, WhiteRabbit wrote: >When I registered my canoe in Minnesota I did not have any ownership papers. >I didn't have any problem registering it. I don't know if the fact it was >10 years old had any bearing on that. With the thousands of visitors every >year, I expect they are used to it. > >I'm about to find out what happens in Illinois when you don't have paperwork >on the boat. I don't have any for my CLC Chesapeake. I was wondering about that myself. I've also built a CLC boat and am currently building a cedar strip kayak (Jay Babina's Outer Island). Since I'm milling my own strips I suppose I could provide receipts from the lumber store for the western red cedar I've bought, more receipts from the place where I buy my fiberglass cloth and resin, etc. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>> Wow! > > These homeland security types are sharp. Why just the other day I figured I > could load 100 pounds of fertilizer in the forward hatch and about 100 > gallons of ammonia in the rear. I'd launch here in Victoria, paddle down the > coast, through Panama the Carib and up the east coast to Connecticut and > blow up a house. I was working on an ignition system when I read Nick's > post. Now that they're on to me I'll revert back to plan A - trained shark > attacks. > > Gordin Warner The public hearing was a farce in that regard --- one legislator even had the nerve to ask one of the speakers how much explosive (In weight) his kayak could carry. It all made no sense on the surface, but the real reason was that the rich folk don't want to look at kayakers anymore. The joke will soon be on them, when the town begins construction of a non-motorized only launch site about a mile away, complete with it's own parking lot. Seems the town of Branford (Of which the village of Stony Creek, where all this started, is a tiny part) doesn't mind us paddling there. Could get interesting. Wayne -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Wayne Smith wsmith16_at_snet.net Check out my sea kayaking & homebrewing page: http://pages.cthome.net/wsmith16/home.html *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
MN and IL appear to have the same exception regarding registration of out-of-state watercraft. The MN authorities have interpreted the law as follows: watercraft from states that have registration requirements, e.g. IA and IL do not need MN registration until the watercraft is resident in MN for more than 60 days; watercraft from states that do not require registration e.g. CO and WI, must be registered in MN or their home state when used on MN waters. I would expect that the authorities in other states would have the same requirements. I am in the process of building a boat and I have not saved receipts to show that I paid sales tax on the materials, I guess I will have to see if whining and pleading will get me out of paying double taxation. Silence kept me from having to pay addition taxes on a boat I bought from a dealer in another state. Perhaps wide-eyed innocence will work again. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Talked to DNR today Under manufacturer put "Home Built" and "None" for Hull ID #. Leave "Purchase Date" blank Include the check for $13. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Never miss a good chance to shut up." Will Rogers WhiteRabbit - ICQ#111665477 > >I'm about to find out what happens in Illinois when you don't have paperwork > >on the boat. I don't have any for my CLC Chesapeake. > > I was wondering about that myself. I've also built a CLC boat and am > currently building a cedar strip kayak (Jay Babina's Outer Island). *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
So I guess I have to wonder.... if I live in New Hampshire, and drive my car in MN, do I have to pay sales tax on it in MN (no sales tax in NH)? Also, If I move to MN and have had my boat for years, do I have to pay sales tax on it? And if I do, and want to register the car I bought some years ago, do I have to pay sales tax on it? Jeanne ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Jeanne Dulaney-Sorochak wrote: > So I guess I have to wonder.... if I live in New Hampshire, and drive my > car in MN, do I have to pay sales tax on it in MN (no sales tax in NH)? register the boat in NH, and don't worry about it, as MN recognizes other states reg... even if you are not required in your home state. we don't have to register canoes in colorado, unless you attach an outboard, the it's a motorboat. but it was cheaper to register our canoes in colorado, then use them in MN > Also, If I move to MN and have had my boat for years, do I have to pay > sales tax on it? And if I do, and want to register the car I bought some > years ago, do I have to pay sales tax on it? Jeanne if you move to colorado, expect us to stick it to you for the taxes ... i don't even want to "go there" as we seem to screw other folks moving to CO. real bummer. mark -- #------seakayaker[at]dotzen[dot]org-----/------------------------------ mark zen o__/ o_/| o_. po box 474 [\/ [__| [__\ ft. lupton, co 80621-0474 `\--------/--------/' (`----|-------\-') http://www.dotzen.org/folks/markz ~~/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~~~~_at_~~~~~ #---------------------------------------------------------------------- A smooth sea never made a skillful mariner. ~~ English Proverb http://www.dotzen.org/paddler - Rocky Mountain Sea Kayak Club, The Colorado Paddlers' Resource *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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