Paddlewisers, Thirteen of us had a blast practicing rescues at Alamitos Bay in Southern California on July 27, 2002. During the past several years, I hosted rescue practices for California Kayak Friends and other clubs about a half mile offshore, but this year I hosted it in a bay to try to draw more sea kayakers. More weren't drawn, but the safety of the bay allowed us to experiment more than we would off the coast. You name the rescue and we probably did it! A few people who hadn't practiced rescues in the past came, made big improvements, and realized just how fun and important practicing is. It is really amazing to see how much difficulty people have with the paddle float rescue at first but then quickly become proficient in about 30 minutes. Even a couple of SOT paddlers had difficulty getting back on their kayaks and decided to buy paddle floats to assist them with their rescues. A couple of people said that they didn't realize until they first practiced rescues today that they shouldn't have been paddling out in the open ocean. I hope this post provides a bit of encouragement for those who haven't or rarely practice rescues to go out and practice. Not only could it save your life someday, it is also a lot of fun! Photos of the rescue practice are at: <A HREF="http://geocities.com/strosaker/rescue.html">Rescue Practice</A> . Duane Strosaker *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Duane, it looks like as much fun as we have when we do the same. Did you do an all in? One thing I am not familiar with, and it may be terminology, but what is a curl rescue? > > I hope this post provides a bit of encouragement for those who haven't or > rarely practice rescues to go out and practice. Not only could it save your > life someday, it is also a lot of fun! > > Photos of the rescue practice are at: <A HREF="http://geocities.com/strosaker/rescue.html">Rescue Practice</A> . > > Duane Strosaker -- gabriel l romeu ø http://studiofurniture.com ø ø http://journalphoto.org ø ø http://kayakoutfitting.org ø ø http://kayaknavigation.com ø *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gabriel, All though I wasn't able to attend Duane's practice session today, I have attended and co-hosted other club practice sessions. Most of us have totally abandoned the "All In Rescue" out here. The technique that I was taught to use in that situation is that everyone immediately starts to do whatever self rescue works for them. As people get in their own boats, they then paddle over and do an X rescue or bow to stern assisted rescue if the rescuee has already gotten his/her boat drained. The "All In" just takes too much time and keeps people in the water where they are susceptible to hypothermia for just too long a period of time. Steve Holtzman Gabriel Romeu said: > Duane, it looks like as much fun as we have when we do the > same. Did you do an all in? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/28/2002 6:38:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, romeug_at_erols.com writes: > One thing I am not familiar with, and it may be terminology, > but what is a curl rescue? > Gabriel, The curl rescue is used for draining water out of a kayak that not only has a flooded cockpit but also a flooded hatch area. Most rescue books show the technique. Duane *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I will have to reference one of those books sometime Duane. I assume it is similar to an X rescue, but I will find out when I get to a friends library (or call him tonight). It sounds like you covered quite a lot, well done. Strosaker_at_aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/28/2002 6:38:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, > romeug_at_erols.com writes: > > > One thing I am not familiar with, and it may be terminology, > > but what is a curl rescue? > > > > Gabriel, > > The curl rescue is used for draining water out of a kayak that not only has a > flooded cockpit but also a flooded hatch area. Most rescue books show the > technique. > > Duane -- gabriel l romeu ø http://studiofurniture.com ø ø http://journalphoto.org ø ø http://kayakoutfitting.org ø ø http://kayaknavigation.com ø *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The curl is one of the methods that can be used, as Duane points out, to rescue a swamped boat. When just one end of the boat is swamped, and the other end points up into the sky, the situation lends itself to the term "Cleopatra's Needle." Bob > I will have to reference one of those books sometime Duane. > I assume it is similar to an X rescue, but I will find out > when I get to a friends library (or call him tonight). *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 05:48 PM 7/28/02 -0400, Strosaker_at_aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 7/28/2002 6:38:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, >romeug_at_erols.com writes: > > > > One thing I am not familiar with, and it may be terminology, > > but what is a curl rescue? > > > >Gabriel, > >The curl rescue is used for draining water out of a kayak that not only has a >flooded cockpit but also a flooded hatch area. Most rescue books show the >technique. Oops. That answers my question about the cleopatra's needle. I didn't look at the pictures for my last posting. If I recall, Roger Schumann and Jan Shriners book has a good description of the curl rescue. BTW, that maneuver with the paddlefloat under your arm and lifting the bow looked pretty impressive. I've tried a paddlefloat assisted lift a few times but haven't managed to get the boat lifted that far out of the water. How does it work in rough water? In all the self/assisted rescue practice and instruction that I've done I've noticed that different people have varying degrees of success depending on their body style. A lot people don't have a lot of upper body strength and just have difficulty climbing onto the boat so practicing with rope stirrups or different methods is quite useful. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/28/2002 8:16:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, sh_at_actglobal.net writes: > Most of us have totally > abandoned the "All In Rescue" out here. Everyone, Although I have practiced the "All In Rescue" in the past, I didn't practice it this time. I personally haven't abondoned any rescue technique. My philosophy is to practice a lot of different techniques, regardless of how good or bad they are, because I never know when a particular one might come in handy. Also, they are all a lot of fun to do. One good thing about the all in rescue is that you stay together during the rescue, which could prevent separation, keep a scared partner calm or keep an inexperienced partner from making a mistake that makes the situation worse. In the past year or so I did read a book or article or see a video that said what Steve Holtzman mentioned about it being better to do a self-rescue first and then help others in an "all in" situation. Duane Southern California *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Holtzman wrote: > > Gabriel, > > All though I wasn't able to attend Duane's practice session today, I have > attended and co-hosted other club practice sessions. Most of us have totally > abandoned the "All In Rescue" out here. The technique that I was taught to > use in that situation is that everyone immediately starts to do whatever > self rescue works for them. As people get in their own boats, they then > paddle over and do an X rescue or bow to stern assisted rescue if the > rescuee has already gotten his/her boat drained. > The "All In" just takes too much time and keeps people in the water where > they are susceptible to hypothermia for just too long a period of time. > This is one of the many very good ways we have experimented out here with it, and having close to 80 degree water, sometimes look forward to having some swimming opportunities. When it is colder, we have tried certain methods with parallel boats of climbing on an overturned hull, righting and supporting the other boat while the partner climbs in, pumps, then performs the T. You take a very responsible position with regard to not using this in your colder water situation. I was the 'victim' in a scoop rescue for various students in an IDW rescue situation and quickly got a mild case of hypothermia a couple of years back which was quite a lesson in itself. Put me out for a couple of hours missing out on a lot of fun. The all in is just another exercise for us with very little application as most of the people I paddle with have a very solid roll. I found out about the curl rescue tonight and am excited with the possibility of trying out a new method I wasn't familiar with. It led to the discussion of another one using the bow of the rescuers boat as a pivot inside the cockpit of the overturned boat. I am also interested in this one if anybody has any references. -- ¤ gabriel l romeu ¤ http://studiofurniture.com ¤ http://journalphoto.org ¤ http://kayakoutfitting.com ¤ http://kayaknavigation.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 11:51 PM 7/27/02 -0400, Strosaker_at_aol.com wrote: >Paddlewisers, > >Thirteen of us had a blast practicing rescues at Alamitos Bay in Southern >California on July 27, 2002. During the past several years, I hosted rescue >practices for California Kayak Friends and other clubs about a half mile >offshore, but this year I hosted it in a bay to try to draw more sea >kayakers. More weren't drawn, but the safety of the bay allowed us to >experiment more than we would off the coast. You name the rescue and we >probably did it! Cleopatra's Needle? >A few people who hadn't practiced rescues in the past came, made big >improvements, and realized just how fun and important practicing is. Last week two of my buddies and I went out onto the lake as a storm was approaching. We paddled out about a mile where the whitecaps were all around us. We decided to try a "cowboy" self-rescue. The first guy capsized and we watched as he tried to get back in using a cowboy rentry. He got up ready to sit in the cockpit and realized that the new foam thigh braces he added to his Arctic hawk made it a tight squeeze to get back in but somehow he managed to get seated without capsizing again. The other guy then tried it (in a Seaward Endeavor). He was able to climb on an shimmy up to the cockpit but capsize as soon as he raised his center of gravity to get his butt over the cockpit. The tried two more times before changing his tactics a bit and tried a "backwards cowboy" reentry. He climbed onto the rear deck, threw a leg over each side and shimmied backwards until his feet were in the cockpit and managed to roll over and get seated. He were watching with interest when we noticed that his paddle was hooked under the deck line at the bow and was wondering what he was going to do once he found himself seated in the boat with his paddle out of reach. Just as he sat down though, the paddle came unhooked and he able to hand paddle over to retrieve it before it blew away. Next I did my capsize. I quickly discovered that the stern on my Outer Island was really slick and had a heck of a time getting any weight on it before slipping off the end. It took several attempts before I could get the cockpit out of the water and empty it. I haven't installed bow/stern toggles yet but now realize they could come in handy. With the flat rear deck on the Outer Island it was real easy to slide forward to the cockpit but I capsized when I tried to get my butt in the seat. I tried three more times with similar results. I was starting to get a bit tired so I decide to just try a standard paddlefloat reentry. I grabbed the paddlefloat from a deck bungie, inflated it, and was back seated in the cockpit and starting to pump water in less than 30 seconds. In each instance it became pretty clear that a "cowboy" self-rescue is pretty unreliable in windy/wavy conditions. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John, I agree with you about the Cowboy Rescue. I can get my but into the cockpit, but then either I'm to big, or the cockpit's too small, but I just sit there with my feet still in the water thinking "Ok, now what am I going to do." Cleopatra's needle is when a front or rear hatch is flooded and the boat floats vertically and looks like a needle sticking out of the ocean. I believe the name was given by Derek Hutchinson. He also devised the "curl rescue" to solve this difficult rescue situation. For those who have been asking, a brief description of the "cuurl rescue" is for the swimmer to reach across the rescuers boat and rest his forearms on the deck. The rescuer in the boat than leans his boat rowards the capsized boat while the swimmer grabs it with his hands. The rescuer then rights his boat while at the same time, the swimmer is performing the same move one does when "curling" weights, ie bend your arms up at the elbows while your forearms stay on the deck of the rescue boat. This can break the cockpit seal and allow enough water to be drained that you can then proceed with other methods of draining and re-entering. There are better and more detailed descriptions in most good rescue books or videos. Steve Holtzman. John Fereira said: > Cleopatra's Needle? > We decided to try a "cowboy" self-rescue. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"Steve Holtzman" sh_at_actglobal.net wrote: <SNIP>>>>>>>Cleopatra's needle is when a front or rear hatch is flooded and the boat floats vertically and looks like a needle sticking out of the ocean. I believe the name was given by Derek Hutchinson. He also devised the "curl rescue" to solve this difficult rescue situation. For those who have been asking, a brief description of the "cuurl rescue" is for the swimmer to reach across the rescuers boat and rest his forearms on the deck. The rescuer in the boat than leans his boat rowards the capsized boat while the swimmer grabs it with his hands. The rescuer then rights his boat while at the same time, the swimmer is performing the same move one does when "curling" weights, ie bend your arms up at the elbows while your forearms stay on the deck of the rescue boat.<<<<<<<<< While I first read of this rescue in a manuscript of what at the time was tentatively titled "Manual of Sea Kayaking" by Derek (around 1985 I think-his first U.S. published book-which has evolved into "Expedition Kayaking"). I have serious doubts that Derek was the inventor of this rescue because he described and pictured it so poorly. Hardly like someone might do who had intimate knowledge of the procedure. Steve's explanation above is much better than Derek's. Derek had the elbows pressing on the deck instead of the forearms (as Steve correctly described above) I just checked the fourth edition (1995--reprinted in 2000) of Derek's "The Complete Book of Sea Kayaking" (and also "Expedition Kayaking" 4th ed. 1999) to see if he improved the picture and description since then. Other than colorize the pictures he hadn't. The text still reads: "His elbows must come to rest on the foredeck, jammed tightly in place by the weight they are supporting" and later "all the weight is taken by his elbows-he should not try to lift". He did say in "Expedition Kayaking" that it wasn't meant to completely empty the flooded kayak just to make it possible to perform one of the other rescues. Here is part of an eight page letter I wrote him at the time I first read it about in his manuscript way back then in the mid-80's. The curl: This was a new one on me and it looked like it could solve many of the problems with the boat over boat rescues. I tried it at the next pool session. I couldn't make it work even with an empty kayak with bulkheads. I would lever my legs up under the kayaks and I bruised my elbows but could not get good leverage on the kayak. If this works it is going to need a better description than was in the manuscript. Maybe you only meant it to dump some of the water out of a vertical kayak and in my wishful thinking I wanted it to dump all the water out of a swamped kayak quickly to avoid a long pump job. If this is the case the curl's limitations should be made clear. At the next practice session I figured out that if you replaced "elbows" with "forearms" as the part of ones anatomy contacting the deck this dumping technique could work. In fact, it is about the only good way I know to recover from the "Cleopatra's Needle" position (a position easily assumed by any kayak that has lost or lacks flotation in one end). It's not quick and easy but it is doable and well worth knowing and practicing. Despite my doubts about its origins, I see in the 1984 third edition of "Sea Canoeing" Derek claims credit for "devising" it "some years ago, after having the problem thrust upon me in the middle of Lake Windermere". (It is unclear to me if this means it was during a real emergency rescue situation--or a "problem" thrust on him during a BCU training session). Maybe he forgot just how he did it when he was back in his study writing about it or possibly he "devised" it and someone else took care of the execution. It is hard to see why he keeps repeating the same "elbows" misinformation in each subsequent edition. Looking up all these references lead me to read Derek's (apparently off the top of his head) history and description of the Paddle Float Rescue. Gads, Derek just seems to have a penchant for not checking his facts and for getting things wrong (even if he once knew the reality). He got a couple of things right. Matt Broze http://www.marinerkayaks.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Broze" <mkayaks_at_oz.net> > doubts about its origins, I see in the 1984 third edition of "Sea Canoeing" > Derek claims credit for "devising" it "some years ago, after having the > problem thrust upon me in the middle of Lake Windermere". (It is unclear to > me if this means it was during a real emergency rescue situation--or a > "problem" thrust on him during a BCU training session). Maybe he forgot just > how he did it when he was back in his study writing about it or possibly he > "devised" it and someone else took care of the execution. It is hard to see > why he keeps repeating the same "elbows" misinformation in each subsequent > edition. > > Looking up all these references lead me to read Derek's (apparently off the > top of his head) history and description of the Paddle Float Rescue. Gads, > Derek just seems to have a penchant for not checking his facts and for > getting things wrong (even if he once knew the reality). He got a couple of > things right. Not to pick on Derek but there is another story involving him and his touting the seal launch idea. He was at the LL Bean Sea Kayaking Symposium in the late 1980s or early 1990s (I was there but can't remember the exact year). Some people started questioning him on seal launches and they got the impression that he had never done one (or so I was told; I wasn't in on that conversation). To prove something, Derek decided to do a seal launch off of a diving board in the indoor pool at the symposium site. LL Bean staff tried to talk him out of trying it. He went ahead anyway and his kayak flipped on the way down and he wound up hurting his back; was pretty much out of action for the rest of the symposium. ralph diaz *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Gabriel wrote: >Duane, it looks like as much fun as we have when we do the >same. Did you do an all in? I've always had a problem with doing an all-in where it actually ends up being an all-in. The "one person rescues their boat over the partner's boat, then they rescue the partner, then those folks rescue two more people" as described in many paddling and rescue books never happens. Folks hang out in the cold water, and everyone pretty much figures they're on their own, and they get in much quicker doing solo rescues--cowboy scramble, re-enter and roll, or paddlefloat, THEN rescue the folks who are really having trouble with a T or sling rescue. >One thing I am not familiar with, and it may be terminology, >but what is a curl rescue? A rescue for completely swamped boats--about the only way to rescue a Cleopatra's needle situation. You lean over a partner's bow and do a biceps curl---SLOWLY--with the swamped boat on edge, and slowly drain the water out. Shawn Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 12:39 PM 7/29/02 -0700, Shawn Baker wrote: >Gabriel wrote: > >Duane, it looks like as much fun as we have when we do the > >same. Did you do an all in? > >I've always had a problem with doing an all-in where it actually ends >up being an all-in. The "one person rescues their boat over the >partner's boat, then they rescue the partner, then those folks rescue >two more people" as described in many paddling and rescue books never >happens. > >Folks hang out in the cold water, and everyone pretty much figures >they're on their own, and they get in much quicker doing solo >rescues--cowboy scramble, re-enter and roll, or paddlefloat, THEN >rescue the folks who are really having trouble with a T or sling >rescue. This may be a case where practicing the all in rescue would not be an accurate simulation of a real-world all in rescue. During practice session their might be 6-8 or more people all capsizing so those that don't get back in first would tend to hang out for awhile. In the real world, an all-in condition would much more likely only involve 2-3 paddlers. It's probably more useful to practice an all-in rescue with just two paddlers working together to get each other back into their boats while anyone else in the practice group just watches and assists if necessary. In any assisted rescue one of those involved (typically the rescuer) would "take charge" so someone that would be leading group trip might benefit from the experience of taking charge of a rescue involving more than one person in the water, especially if that person is one of those that capsize. During an all-in rescue at the AKT symposium a couple of years ago, we had something like 9 people go in at the same time. Nigel was suggested that if you were not actively involved in a rescue, climbing on top of your boat so that you were not just "hanging out in cold water" was a good idea. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John F said: > During an all-in rescue at the AKT symposium a couple of years ago, we had > something like 9 people go in at the same time. Nigel was suggested that > if you were not actively involved in a rescue, climbing on top of your boat > so that you were not just "hanging out in cold water" was a good idea. John, In this situation, don't you think it would be better to have individuals start rescuing themselves rather than just climbing on top of their boats or "hanging out"? Steve Holtzman *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
At 07:54 AM 7/30/02 -0700, Steve Holtzman wrote: >John F said: > > During an all-in rescue at the AKT symposium a couple of years ago, we had > > something like 9 people go in at the same time. Nigel was suggested that > > if you were not actively involved in a rescue, climbing on top of your >boat > > so that you were not just "hanging out in cold water" was a good idea. > >John, > >In this situation, don't you think it would be better to have individuals >start rescuing themselves rather than just climbing on top of their boats or >"hanging out"? You're making the assumption that everyone knows how to self-rescue. I'm guessing that the most likely scenario where an all-in would occur would be when an experienced person was leading a group of inexperienced people and an unexpected condition caused everyone to go in (for example, strong gusting winds preceding a storm or very large boat wakes). The immediate concern at that point would be to make sure everyone was okay (did anyone swallow a lot of water? Is anyone panicing?) and that everyone get control of their gear and stay with their boat. Telling the inexperienced to climb onto their boat while one or two are able to self rescue or assist each other would likely be safer rather than have someone without self-rescue experience try to get back in, fail, and start to become exhausted. It may become even more difficult to assist an exhausted paddler back into their boat (and if you do, they're more likely going to capsize again), then just have them wait a minute or two on top of their boat. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
By the way, Duane--I see most of the participants wearing helmets. Not a terribly bad idea in a crowded rescue practice. Shawn Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
In a message dated 7/29/2002 9:25:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, jaf30_at_cornell.edu writes: > BTW, that maneuver with the paddlefloat under your arm and lifting the bow > looked pretty impressive. I've tried a paddlefloat assisted lift a few > times but haven't managed to get the boat lifted that far out of the water. > > How does it work in rough water? > Gabriel, I've had other kayaks that this particular technique didn't work so well on. Duane *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Strosaker_at_aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 7/29/2002 9:25:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, > jaf30_at_cornell.edu writes: > > > BTW, that maneuver with the paddlefloat under your arm and lifting the bow > > looked pretty impressive. I've tried a paddlefloat assisted lift a few > > times but haven't managed to get the boat lifted that far out of the water. > > > > How does it work in rough water? > > > > Gabriel, > > I've had other kayaks that this particular technique didn't work so well on. > > Duane > Duane, John asked this and I concur. There was a Nigel Foster illustration of this technique in Sea Kayaker some time back and it looked pretty exciting. Tried it out in a pool session and found that a vigorous toss in conjunction with a scissor kick of the cockpit rim was far more effective for me. One thing I had limited success with using a paddlefloat on the opposite cockpit rim as a pivot float. will have to play with it before endorsing it though. -- gabriel l romeu ø http://studiofurniture.com ø ø http://journalphoto.org ø ø http://kayakoutfitting.org ø ø http://kayaknavigation.com ø *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I had the joy of towing (maintaining position in reality) this Cleo's needle, 2 rescue boats and a swimmer opposing some really strong currents during a rescue session once. I paddled so hard we went through a black hole which accounts for the half hour it took them (first time trying this rescue) to get it together when our watches said only 10 minutes... Bob Volin wrote: > > The curl is one of the methods that can be used, as Duane points out, to > rescue a swamped boat. When just one end of the boat is swamped, and the > other end points up into the sky, the situation lends itself to the term > "Cleopatra's Needle." > Bob > > > I will have to reference one of those books sometime Duane. > > I assume it is similar to an X rescue, but I will find out > > when I get to a friends library (or call him tonight). -- gabriel l romeu ø http://studiofurniture.com ø ø http://journalphoto.org ø ø http://kayakoutfitting.org ø ø http://kayaknavigation.com ø *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fereira" <jaf30_at_cornell.edu> > You're making the assumption that everyone knows how to self-rescue. You're absolutely correct. I forget that my normal paddling companions all know how to self rescue and/or do an assisted rescue. Steve *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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