Howdy, I've never been on a camping trip in my kayak; a situation I hope to remedy soon. I know everyone tries to keep stuff down to a minimum, but I'd like to ask the list: "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the weight ought not allow it"? Mark www.sandmarks.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
"what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the > weight ought not allow it"? > A two person tent for a solo trip. Or a three person tent if my son goes with me. I like the luxury of the extra space especially for bad weather days. Bob who has sat in his tent reading a good book on many a bad weather day. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark wrote: > "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the weight ought > not allow it"? My full length (76 inches), extra-thick (2 inches) Thermarest pad. BTW, Mark, camping out of a sea kayak is all about luxurious camping, relative to back-packing-style camping; my "luxury" list is probably about fifteen items long, but I am suppressing the lesser fourteen. Many years I slept on a shortie, thinner Thermarest, like some sort of hair-shirted monastic nut case. Actually, I did not sleep on it ... very well anyway. Sweet dreams. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Well, it's funny, my friend Duane Strosaker is planning the trip to Catalina. "Hair-shirted monastic nut case" is practically his middle name! -----Original Message----- My full length (76 inches), extra-thick (2 inches) Thermarest pad. BTW, Mark, camping out of a sea kayak is all about luxurious camping, relative to back-packing-style camping; my "luxury" list is probably about fifteen items long, but I am suppressing the lesser fourteen. Many years I slept on a shortie, thinner Thermarest, like some sort of hair-shirted monastic nut case. Actually, I did not sleep on it ... very well anyway. Sweet dreams. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark - Yes the Camprest is the cats meow...and i add the protective slip cover that also converts the CampRest into a very nice high back chair. I appreciate the high back chair that supports the shoulder blades after a day of paddling. Hope you enjoy your trip. john Santa Rosa, CA Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com> wrote: Well, it's funny, my friend Duane Strosaker is planning the trip to Catalina. "Hair-shirted monastic nut case" is practically his middle name! -----Original Message----- My full length (76 inches), extra-thick (2 inches) Thermarest pad. BTW, Mark, camping out of a sea kayak is all about luxurious camping, relative to back-packing-style camping; my "luxury" list is probably about fifteen items long, but I am suppressing the lesser fourteen. Many years I slept on a shortie, thinner Thermarest, like some sort of hair-shirted monastic nut case. Actually, I did not sleep on it ... very well anyway. Sweet dreams. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com> wrote: > Well, it's funny, my friend Duane Strosaker is planning the trip to > Catalina. "Hair-shirted > monastic nut case" is practically his middle name! ROFL. Seriously... ROFL. I almost fell of the sofa. Let me second Dave Kruger's remark. Get a good, thick, long, wide sleeping pad that is at least 1.5 inches thick and preferably 2-1/2 inches thick. Most of the ones you see are 20 inches wide which I find isn't wide enough for me. I like 25. It should also be at least 6-feet long. Here is the one I got a month ago to replace the 15-year-old pad I used before: http://www.rei.com/product/722782. Read the reviews. Get a good LED head-mounted light. It's invaluable for reading at night in your tent and for blinding everyone you look at. Great fun! I have one of these from REI: http://www.rei.com/REI-Outlet/product/764605 If you're like me and can't sleep until you've read a chapter of a good book, then don't forget to bring a good book. Tapered dry-bags. Even if you have bulkheads and hatches. A stove and a pot for making your own soup/coffee/tea even if you are camping with the greatest chef in the world. This way you'll know how to get it going. And fuel. I totally agree about the 2-person tent for solo and 3-person for duo. But I also think that a free-standing tent is important; with a "bathtub" floor. You can just pick it up and move it when the tide inevitably comes up higher on the beach than you expected it to. And get a rain-fly and use it. MSR makes good tents and the Mutha-Hubba tents are well respected: http://www.rei.com/REI-Outlet/product/764667 A "footprint" or tarp for under your tent. And a good tarp for shade or rain. Eating utensils large enough for grown-ups to use. I have big hands and itty-bitty camp forks are just a pain. But I also have some arthritis so that could be just me. That's all I can think of right now. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] I am reminded of a New Years Day trip a few years ago. My friend Tom packed 4 (count 'em 4) bottles of different Merlots, so we could do a tasting. My son had borrowed my 2-man tent, so I used our Streamside 4. Packing a kayak for camping the first time is similar to putting a Klepper together the first time. Incredulity (This all can't fit!) followed by trial and error (Should have put this in first) followed by logical thinking in 3 dimensions (OK, so the space behind the skeg box must be about...but the space alongside the skeg box is only...) followed by amazement (Dang! It did fit). I'd suggest doing it for the first time in your garage, not on the beach. Steve Mark Sanders wrote: > Well, it's funny, my friend Duane Strosaker is planning the trip to > Catalina. "Hair-shirted > monastic nut case" is practically his middle name! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] I am reminded of a New Years Day trip a few years ago. My friend Tom packed 4 (count 'em 4) bottles of different Merlots, so we could do a tasting. My son had borrowed my 2-man tent, so I used our Streamside 4. Packing a kayak for camping the first time is similar to putting a Klepper together the first time. Incredulity (This all can't fit!) followed by trial and error (Should have put this in first) followed by logical thinking in 3 dimensions (OK, so the space behind the skeg box must be about...but the space alongside the skeg box is only...) followed by amazement (Dang! It did fit). I'd suggest doing it for the first time in your garage, not on the beach. Steve Mark Sanders wrote: > Well, it's funny, my friend Duane Strosaker is planning the trip to > Catalina. "Hair-shirted > monastic nut case" is practically his middle name! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> I also think that a free-standing tent is important; with a "bathtub" > floor. > You can just pick it up and move it when the tide inevitably comes up > higher > on the beach than you expected it to. Yeah the other advantage of a free standing tent is you can hold over your head while standing in knee deep water at 2am waiting for the tide to fall. Been there done that! Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Oh yeah, free standing is a good idea on a beach. It's a bear trying to get those wimpy little stakes to hold if there's a breeze. You can get bigger stakes, but they are not big enough. So you use deadmen (http://www.paddling.net/sameboat/archives/sameboat215.html) to hold the lines. But they take a little more work, and it's much easier to pitch a tent without worry about the stakes and then secure it to the beach in two seperate steps that to try to do both at the same time. C -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Bob Carter Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:50 PM To: paddlewise Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak Camping Question > I also think that a free-standing tent is important; with a "bathtub" > floor. > You can just pick it up and move it when the tide inevitably comes up > higher > on the beach than you expected it to. Yeah the other advantage of a free standing tent is you can hold over your head while standing in knee deep water at 2am waiting for the tide to fall. Been there done that! Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>>Oh yeah, free standing is a good idea on a beach. Reminds me of a trip I did out to Anacapa Island years ago. As we were paddling out to the island it started to rain. I know rain on a kayaking trip is no big deal to you folks who paddle the Pacific Northwest and other locals, but here in sunny Southern California it can really be a spoiler. By the time it started raining we were well past halfway, so we continued to the island. When we arrived the island ranger met us and told us that the island was a mire and in order to prevent damaging the grounds we would not be allowed to go to the campground. However, realizing that a trip back to the mainland was out of the question, the ranger allowed us to camp on the large cement slab at the top of the landing - and my tent was not freestanding! Well, I managed to MacGyver a frame for my tent by lashing together kayak paddles and much to my own amazement got my tent up. When I got back from that trip I promptly went out and bought a freestanding tent - and I've never looked back :-) Scott So.Cal. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Oh yeah, free standing is a good idea on a beach. It's a bear trying to get those wimpy little stakes to hold if there's a breeze. You can get bigger stakes, but they are not big enough. So you use deadmen (http://www.paddling.net/sameboat/archives/sameboat215.html) to hold the lines. But they take a little more work, and it's much easier to pitch a tent without worry about the stakes and then secure it to the beach in two seperate steps that to try to do both at the same time. C -----Original Message----- From: owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net [mailto:owner-paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net]On Behalf Of Bob Carter Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 8:50 PM To: paddlewise Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak Camping Question > I also think that a free-standing tent is important; with a "bathtub" > floor. > You can just pick it up and move it when the tide inevitably comes up > higher > on the beach than you expected it to. Yeah the other advantage of a free standing tent is you can hold over your head while standing in knee deep water at 2am waiting for the tide to fall. Been there done that! Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark asked: < "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the weight ought not allow it"? > I usually bring more books than I will have time to read in camp. I always am reading more than one book at a time at home, and being able to choose among a mini-library on the trail, especially books of different characters, is a treat. Also, a camera can be a pain in the neck, but I always schlep it along. Tom *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dear Tom and all, Definitely Books!!! Must reads include any history of the area you are camping in-- ideally early explorer's accounts. Nothing like adding a whole new level of understanding and appreciation for an area intimately travelled through. I think I had five or six books about the Columbia on my river trip-- everything from David Thompson to Robin Cody; L&C too of course. Best, Harvey --- Joyce Family <tfj4_at_comcast.net> wrote: > I usually bring more books than I will have time to > read in camp. I always > am reading more than one book at a time at home, and > being able to choose > among a mini-library on the trail, especially books > of different characters, > is a treat. Also, a camera can be a pain in the > neck, but I always schlep > it along. > > Tom *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] I'm pretty sure Brian Schulz had a good chunk of your library in his kayak on our Osa Peninsula trip in Costa Rica a couple of years back. ; ) I usually bring a paperback and a nature guide along, but some of those were hardbacks! Cheers, Rob G -----Original Message----- From: Harvey Golden <harveydgolden_at_yahoo.com> Dear Tom and all, Definitely Books!!! Must reads include any history of the area you are camping in-- ideally early explorer's accounts. Nothing like adding a whole new level of understanding and appreciation for an area intimately travelled through. I think I had five or six books about the Columbia on my river trip-- everything from David Thompson to Robin Cody; L&C too of course. Best, Harvey *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
--- rcgibbert_at_aol.com wrote: > I'm pretty sure Brian Schulz had a good chunk of > your library in his kayak on our Osa Peninsula trip > in Costa Rica a couple of years back. ; ) I usually > bring a paperback and a nature guide along, but some > of those were hardbacks! Dear Rob, That's right he did. Some of them even survived apparently. I think he had a few of mine on his Oregon Coast trip. I'm still not even sure he knows how to read; he said they made fine tinder. Best, Harvey *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
An Exped 25" wide x 7' long 4 inch thick down mattress. It's that good, trust me. Cheers, Rob G -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com> To: PaddleWise <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 8:27 pm Subject: [Paddlewise] Kayak Camping Question Howdy, I've never been on a camping trip in my kayak; a situation I hope to remedy soon. I know everyone tries to keep stuff down to a minimum, but I'd like to ask the list: "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the weight ought not allow it"? Mark www.sandmarks.net *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark said: > "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if > the > weight ought not allow it"? Mark, It's not the weight that is the critical factor, it's the size. Can it fit in your boat along with all of your other gear? That said, my biggest luxury item is a folding chair to sit on. If paddling on an ocean trip, I'll use a small backpackers chair inside a plastic bag inside the rear hatch. If paddling on a river trip, I've been known to bungie a full size beach chair to my back deck. Steve Holtzman __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3034 (20080417) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve Holtzman wrote: > It's not the weight that is the critical factor, it's the size. Can it fit > in your boat along with all of your other gear? Amen. I had to choose between my 2-person tent and my 2-inch-thick Thermarest pad. I opted for a minimalist tent (MSR Hubba; NOT the Hubba Hubba), which opened up enough room to allow the Thermarest into the back compartment. The Hubba fits me like a cocoon (very snug, really), and has a large enough vestibule for a dry bag, boots, etc. To make this work, I always pitch a tarp in the PNW, for the inevitable heavy dew, sometimes manifest as half an inch of rain overnight. The tarp allows dry cooking, eating, packing, etc. The tarp is the last thing struck when we pack up to move camp. And, the first shelter up on arrival, if it is raining. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Dave Kruger wrote: > I opted for a minimalist tent (MSR Hubba; NOT the > Hubba Hubba Dave, Great minds must think alike. Not only are we both chemists, but I also carry an MSR Hubba when camping from the kayak. My boats all have a skeg and the skeg box does impact the amount of gear I can stuff into the rear hatch. Steve Holtzman PS in SoCal, we don't really need to worry about all that liquid sunshine you guys in the PNW seem to get. I just don't camp in February. After that, it's all sunshine. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3035 (20080417) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark Sanders said: what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the weight ought not allow it"? I bring everything the others have mentioned - nice sleeping pad, chair, books, light, bigger tent. All with my 16 foot Romany. The light is a nine volt battery with two LEDs on it: http://www.9voltlight.com The tent goes in a deck bag (I know it is heresy but I have never had any trouble with having a bag on the deck, even in forty knot winds. But I have good balance.) The sleeping pad goes in the tent bag. The chair is a Crazy Creek full length chair that, folded up, fits under my knees in the cockpit and takes no room that would be used for anything else. I have used the chair as a sleeping pad in sand but it's a bit thin for my old bones on a hard surface. Books for rainy days are a must. I also carry a bird guide. And binoculars. Space for the luxuries is gained by dehydrating my own foods. Dried lasagna takes up very little room and I have oatmeal or Red River for breakfast and they take up no room, either. And the deck bag on the stern holds a lot of stuff. Jim Tibensky *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Mark Sanders said: what is the one luxury item you have to bring even > if the weight ought not allow it"? > > > Jim T. said: I bring everything the others have mentioned - nice sleeping > pad, chair, > books, light, bigger tent. All with my 16 foot Romany. I usually bring Ric, because he is quite strong and indispensible when carrying loaded kayaks over beaches and wet rocks. He is also the best navigator I know. Although he is fairly big and heavy, he does come with his own boat. Next, I try to bring along someone who can cook, since I cannot cook worth a lick. This is especially important relative to desserts. They would normally come with their own boat too. Finally, I try to bring along an MD in case of injury or mishap, but they are usually too smart to come along on one of my trips. Brad *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
We frequently have 2 MDs in the group, but as one of them is an OBGYN and the other a pathologist, they're really only useful in cases of vaginal bleeding or if you're already dead, neither one being very up to date on emergency medicine for injuries. I am privileged to have a WMA instructor as one of my paddling buddies. He is always welcome, and frequently useful. Steve Brad Crain wrote: > Finally, I try to bring along an MD in case of injury or mishap, but > they are usually too smart to come along on one of my trips. -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA http://www.savvypaddler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net> wrote: > We frequently have 2 MDs in the group, but as one of them is an OBGYN and > the other a pathologist, they're really only useful in cases of vaginal > bleeding or if you're already dead, neither one being very up to date on > emergency medicine for injuries. > This thread lasted longer than most before deteriorating. <grin> I think it's a testament to what a lot of us are thinking about right now. Since we've covered what we'd take, maybe we should cover where to buy it. REI. Last year my dividend from REI was bigger than the GDP of Haiti. I've been a member of this organization since about... um... 1963 or so and have a membership number in the low six figures. For a long time REI was really the only place to buy mountaineering equipment in the Seattle area until the Swallow's Nest opened up in the 70s (under a bridge... well, it was a high bridge). Nowadays REI is a bit yuppie but along with the fancy shirts and spendy boots they also carry good technical gear. Better yet, they have a discount store on the web with some seriously good bargains. REI also ships free to a store near you. Semi-annual in-store sales are a ritual in my family. www.rei.com Campmor may actually have a real store somewhere, I don't know. What Campmor has is a little black-and-white catalog that comes out every two or three days (ok... maybe 4 times a year... but it seems like we get a new one often). My wife and I fight over who gets to rummage through the latest version. Very good bargains especially on close-out tents, sleeping bags, stoves, freeze-dried food, and some gadgets. Be careful what you get. They are pretty good at marking tents as "not free standing" for instance, but you still need to research closely. Otherwise, an outstanding outlet for camping gear. www.campmor.com. Cabela's. Lots of stuff. Not all applicable to kayak camping or even backpacking, but a lot of it is. NRS. Great stuff and great people. So... where do you all buy YOUR toys? Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Oh, good, blame it on me. ;) In answer to your question, Sierra Trading Post and the NOC Fall Gala. Craig Jungers wrote: > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net > <mailto:cramersec_at_charter.net>> wrote: > > We frequently have 2 MDs in the group, but as one of them is an > OBGYN and the other a pathologist, they're really only useful in > cases of vaginal bleeding or if you're already dead, neither one > being very up to date on emergency medicine for injuries. > > > This thread lasted longer than most before deteriorating. <grin> I > think it's a testament to what a lot of us are thinking about right now. > > Since we've covered what we'd take, maybe we should cover where to buy it. > So... where do you all buy YOUR toys? -- Steve Cramer Athens, GA http://www.savvypaddler.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Great thread!!!? Now my $0.02. . . I paddle a lot with a cardiologist--great in the cath lab with all that equipment and support staff, not sure about in the wild though.? He's taking a wilderness first aid class (WMA) that I'm one of the instructors for in a couple of weeks.? And, since I'm a Wilderness EMT, as well as a working urban EMT, I can take care of most of the problems others have, it's me that I worry about--what if I go down? Gear--lots of great input, no one has mentioned the Scotch or Irish whisky (haven't tried the Welsh yet, but am actively searching for it in my area).? Nothing like sitting and watching the sunset with a wee bit of whisky--what a day! Where to purchase gear--what very little camping gear I need (I used to own a store) I pickup at the paddling shop I teach for (gotta love those employee discounts) and for what I can't get there, or through there, I usually end up at REI (member # 654xxx)--yep long-time. The season is rapidly approaching!!! JohnB http://seakayakerjbspeaks.blogspot.com/ *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:13 AM, John Browning <seakayakerjb_at_aol.com> wrote: Where to purchase gear--what very little camping gear I need (I used to own > a store) I pickup at the paddling shop I teach for (gotta love those > employee discounts) and for what I can't get there, or through there, I > usually end up at REI (member # 654xxx)--yep long-time. > REI #129xxx. :) The store employees (who seem to all be teenagers) always look at me funny when I give them my number. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
<snip> > Gear--lots of great input, no one has mentioned the Scotch or Irish whisky (haven't tried the Welsh yet, but am actively searching for it in my area).? Nothing like sitting and watching the sunset with a wee bit of whisky--what a day! > > Where to purchase gear--what very little camping gear I need (I used to own a store) I pickup at the paddling shop I teach for (gotta love those employee discounts) and for what I can't get there, or through there, I usually end up at REI (member # 654xxx)--yep long-time. > > The season is rapidly approaching!!! > > > JohnB > http://seakayakerjbspeaks.blogspot.com/ A man after my own heart. I *always* take a bottle of Irish whiskey (decanted into a lexan "bottle", of course). There's nothing better than having a wee sip of something nice while watching the sun set. We also take a package or two of black liquorice sticks as an after- dinner treat. Doesn't matter if it gets wet, packs well in small spaces and goes with almost anything. And finally, I NEED a chair with a tall back. I tried a shorter chair that would fit in the rear hatch, but it killed me not to be able to lean back and relax my lower back muscles after a long day paddling. I now lash a full-sized folding chair to my rear deck, with my spare paddle underneath. Even in moderate winds (that's my idea of moderate: your idea may differ), I don't notice any adverse effects of the chair while paddling. -- Darryl *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
We camp mostly on Lake Superior. As previously noted, space is a bigger problem than weight. Things I could leave behind if I really had to: * Steel frame Travelchair beach chair. It stows alongside my Romany's skeg box, gets me up off the damp ground, and has good back support. Purchased at REI, but no longer sold by Travelchair. * DSLR camera and lenses for off-water photography. I carry them in an old LowePro Elite camera bag equipped with a home-made internal dry bag. The camera bag sits between my knees in the cockpit -- not ideal, as it makes entry and exits more difficult, but there isn't room for it elsewhere. For on-water photography, I wear a Nikonos film camera under my PFD, so if I left the former behind, I could still use the latter. I do leave my accessory flash behind, though, as I rarely need it when camping. Besides, it leaves more room for backup camera batteries. Cameras purchased at National Camera and B&H, LowePro at Midwest Mountaineering in Minneapolis. * Mutha Hubba tent. We could get by with a 2p tent if we had to, but we'd rather not. Purchased on sale at REI, and packs a little smaller than our old tent. * Wine. Since we store it in Platypus bottles way up in the bow or in other odd crannies, it's not a real storage problem. Watch out for loose caps, though! Everything else I regard as necessities: * Marmot 30-degree down sleeping bag for summer use -- really a space saver, since it is more compact than my old bag. Ordered online, since no one had it locally. * 10-foot by 12-foot CCS white siliconized nylon rain tarp. With all its tie loops (not grommets) and reinforcing nylon tape, this is the most versatile, most rugged tarp on the planet, and with the white version, it is never dark underneath even on the most dreary day. Purchased from Cooke Custom Sewing, and picked up from the proprietor's home on the way out of town. First-time setup was in a 50-mph wind in the Apostle Islands, which it withstood magnificently. This is the last item to go into my bow compartment, so it is always easy to get to. * Two nested poles for the CCS tarp. This item is a toss-up, as it could go into the other list, but since the poles fit in the bow compartment along the keel, they don't take up much space, and they are very handy for pitching the tarp on a beach. CCS. * Food. Freeze-dried has become so good and is so easy to prepare at the end of a long day, that we are using it more and more in preference to home-prepared meals. Besides, it is more compact. REI or Midwest Mountaineering. * Cooking gear. Whisperlite stove and base for use on sand, two 30-year-old Sigg pots, plastic bowls and cups, Sigg fuel bottles. All nests together but the stove and fuel. Midwest Mountaineering. * First aid kit in a Pelican box. Somewhat hard to pack into the kayak; I should look into less rigid waterproofing. Hardly ever used, but hard to leave behind. * Water filter. On Lake Superior, we don't have to carry fresh water. Midwest Mountaineering. * Clothing. As multi-purpose as possible using the layering principle. * Rope, pullies, and lightweight pack for hanging food. Fits behind the skeg box. * Icom 72 marine radio and spare battery. Online purchase from a marine store. * GPS. I could get by without it, but it is occasionally very handy, especially in fog. Marine store. * Maps in a Seal Line case purchase from REI. On deck. * Towing rig on deck. * Bow line for tying up at night; I only attach it when needed, so normally it lives in the day compartment in a plastic bag to avoid entanglements. Marine store. * Platypus hydration system. REI. * Thermos. Saves on fuel by storing hot water for emergencies, morning coffee, or late hot chocolate laced with brandy. REI. * Braun AA battery-powered razor. Compact and gives a close shave, though I use it only for cheeks and neck. Online purchase. * Palm TX PDA. This gadget currently has about a hundred books on it, mostly classics now out of copyright, and doesn't require a reading light. It also has a very useful astronomy program called Planetarium that is useful for identifying what's up in the night sky. It beats carrying a bunch of paper books, but I do have to carry a recharger for it. * Repair kit. Two multi-tools are better than one; my wife and I each carry one. The kit also includes epoxy, nylon fabric patches, extra batteries, fire-starters, nylon cord, etc. * LED headlamp and other small lights tucked here and there. Sierra Trading Post. * Lots of spare AA-size batteries. * Miscellaneous extra paddling clothing, depending on the season, that might include neoprene gloves and a fuzzy rubber hood. Mostly Midwest Mountaineering. * Five pocket Palm PFD. Great river Outfitters. * Tilley hat for sunny days and a Goretex crusher hat for rainy days. * The usual paddling gear. 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[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] I may just be a cardiologist, but I can dial 911 with the best of them. Probably even better than the ob-gyn paddler. Dick On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, John Browning <seakayakerjb_at_aol.com> wrote: > Great thread!!!? Now my $0.02. . . > > I paddle a lot with a cardiologist--great in the cath lab with all that > equipment and support staff, not sure about in the wild though.? He's taking > a wilderness first aid class (WMA) that I'm one of the instructors for in a > couple of weeks.? And, since I'm a Wilderness EMT, as well as a working > urban EMT, I can take care of most of the problems others have, it's me that > I worry about--what if I go down? > > Gear--lots of great input, no one has mentioned the Scotch or Irish whisky > (haven't tried the Welsh yet, but am actively searching for it in my area).? > Nothing like sitting and watching the sunset with a wee bit of whisky--what > a day! > > Where to purchase gear--what very little camping gear I need (I used to > own a store) I pickup at the paddling shop I teach for (gotta love those > employee discounts) and for what I can't get there, or through there, I > usually end up at REI (member # 654xxx)--yep long-time. -- visit silbs.blogspot.com photos, comments and more! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Given that we frequently don't have cell service, I will "rest" easier knowing that you also always have your vhf radio at hand!? And, for that you shall be rewarded with another bit of whisky!!!! JohnB http://seakayakerjbspeaks.blogspot.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Dick Silberman <silbs6521_at_gmail.com> To: John Browning <seakayakerjb_at_aol.com> Cc: paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:20 am Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak Camping Question I may just be a cardiologist, but I can dial 911 with the best of them. Probably even better than the ob-gyn paddler. Dick On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:13 AM, John Browning <seakayakerjb_at_aol.com> wrote: ?Great thread!!!? Now my $0.02. . . I paddle a lot with a cardiologist--great in the cath lab with all that equipment and support staff, not sure about in the wild though.? He's taking a wilderness first aid class (WMA) that I'm one of the instructors for in a couple of weeks.? And, since I'm a Wilderness EMT, as well as a working urban EMT, I can take care of most of the problems others have, it's me that I worry about--what if I go down? Gear--lots of great input, no one has mentioned the Scotch or Irish whisky (haven't tried the Welsh yet, but am actively searching for it in my area).? Nothing like sitting and watching the sunset with a wee bit of whisky--what a day! Where to purchase gear--what very little camping gear I need (I used to own a store) I pickup at the paddling shop I teach for (gotta love those employee discounts) and for what I can't get there, or through there, I usually end up at REI (member # 654xxx)--yep long-time. The season is rapidly approaching!!! JohnB visit silbs.blogspot.com photos, comments and more! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Jungers wrote: SNIP > Campmor may actually have a real store somewhere, I don't > know. What Campmor > has is a little black-and-white catalog that comes out every > two or three > days (ok... maybe 4 times a year... but it seems like we get a new one > often). My wife and I fight over who gets to rummage through > the latest > version. Very good bargains especially on close-out tents, > sleeping bags, > stoves, freeze-dried food, and some gadgets. Be careful what > you get. They > are pretty good at marking tents as "not free standing" for > instance, but > you still need to research closely. Otherwise, an outstanding > outlet for > camping gear. www.campmor.com. > Campmor does indeed have a real store. It's in New Jersey and one of the things I've always liked is that they have most, if not all, of the tents they sell set up for you to see. Nice people too. Once, when they were out of stock of a map I wanted, one of the owners went out to her car, got her map and photo copied the sections I needed. Reasonable prices too. Bill Leonhardt *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] www.thesportsmansguide.com has a lot of lower end stuff and junk but when it comes to tents, freeze dried foods, misc camping gear, they are hard to beat when they put it on sale. They have an annual membership fee to get a further discount but I usually get my money's worth. I am also a big NRS fan. I go in REI often and like their quality stuff. The selection of kayaks and equipment in house is sometimes lacking. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Bud Turner <sbturner_at_ix.netcom.com> wrote: > www.thesportsmansguide.com has a lot of lower end stuff and junk but > when > it comes to tents, freeze dried foods, misc camping gear, they are hard to > beat when they put it on sale. They have an annual membership fee to get > a > further discount but I usually get my money's worth. I didn't want to mention the Sportsmans Guide so someone else could do it. This is full of a lot of weird things but there are some treasures. One interesting item is the folding firepit. It's not stainless steel but it's only $12. Here is the link: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=288270 There is a guy in BC on the West Coast Paddlers who makes a stainless steel folding firepit for twigs and leaves and stuff. He wants around $40 or $50 for it but it looks pretty cool. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Jungers wrote: > There is a guy in BC on the West Coast Paddlers who makes a stainless steel > folding firepit for twigs and leaves and stuff. He wants around $40 or $50 > for it but it looks pretty cool. I bought one of those. They have tremendous draft, and will really get a nice little blaze going in a jiffy. They collapse and fold up into a very compact package. My E-stove. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Jungers wrote: > REI. Last year my dividend from REI was bigger than the GDP of Haiti. I've > been a member of this organization since about... um... 1963 or so and have > a membership number in the low six figures. Gotcha beat, Craig: I'm barely above 50,000; joined in 1967; I bet that six-figure number is a re-do. You should be in the low 5 figures if you joined in 1963, when they were still selling hob-nailed boots, alpenstocks, and pemmican! [grin] -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Luxury items -- cast iron frying pan and five cats. Don't know if I'd call the cats luxury items -- more along the lines of fellow travelers. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Richard Culpeper <culpeper_at_tbaytel.net> wrote: > Luxury items -- cast iron frying pan and five cats. Don't know if I'd > call > the cats luxury items -- more along the lines of fellow travelers. > > I have always wondered if the cats make rolling up easier.... or harder. Maybe a bit of flotation on the end of the tail would help. :) Oops... there goes the thread. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
John Browning said, "no one has mentioned the Scotch or Irish whisky (haven't tried the Welsh yet, but am actively searching for it in my area).? Nothing like sitting and watching the sunset with a wee bit of whisky--what a day!" I think the tread started as what luxury items do you take. Single malt is a necessity. Gordin Warner *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Apr 16, 2008, at 8:27 PM, Mark Sanders wrote: > "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the > weight ought not allow it"? A teen age girl friend? Paul Montgomery paul_at_paddleandoar.com http://paddleandoar.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
True, true. Luckily my kayak has big hatches! -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak Camping Question On Apr 16, 2008, at 8:27 PM, Mark Sanders wrote: > "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the > weight ought not allow it"? A teen age girl friend? Paul Montgomery paul_at_paddleandoar.com http://paddleandoar.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Damn, you just outdated "the secretary." Cheers, Rob G -----Original Message----- From: Paul Montgomery <paul_at_paddleandoar.com> To: PaddleWise <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak Camping Question On Apr 16, 2008, at 8:27 PM, Mark Sanders wrote: > "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the > weight ought not allow it"? A teen age girl friend? Paul Montgomery paul_at_paddleandoar.com http://paddleandoar.com
Okay Bob, it's 2:30 am westcoast time, I'm all packed up for Pender Island in the morning - up at 6:00am. Meeting Dave from Astoria en route and a bunch of other paddlers from Westcoastpaddler.com for a couple of days. The kayak was a bit heavy to get on the roof racks - covered in snow. Report of possible waterspouts in Georgia Strait. So, what item should I take despite weight. Thinking about the Colman catalytic heater. Not sure if it will fit in the kayak though. Back deck? :-) Bought an overbag today, too. Bought a ton of new gear. Alaska or bust some day. New tent: North Face Heron 23. Doug L > "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the >> weight ought not allow it"? >> > A two person tent for a solo trip. Or a three person tent if my son goes > with me. I like the luxury of the extra space especially for bad weather > days. > > Bob > who has sat in his tent reading a good book on many a bad weather day. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I would give a lot to be able to hear the chit-chat at the S. Pender campsite right about now (8am Saturday morning). It was 29F at 5am today but at least we didn't get any snow. I think the Puget Sound and Gulf Islands area got some. I know Everett did. I'm thinking Doug is going to appreciate that new tent. Hope he has a good sleeping bag and a nice, thick, comfy pad. Those and a good book will get ya through a lot. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA (with the furnace set to 71F) On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > Okay Bob, it's 2:30 am westcoast time, I'm all packed up for Pender Island > in the morning - up at 6:00am. Meeting Dave from Astoria en route and a > bunch of other paddlers from Westcoastpaddler.com for a couple of days. The > kayak was a bit heavy to get on the roof racks - covered in snow. Report of > possible waterspouts in Georgia Strait. So, what item should I take despite > weight. Thinking about the Colman catalytic heater. Not sure if it will fit > in the kayak though. Back deck? :-) Bought an overbag today, too. > > Bought a ton of new gear. Alaska or bust some day. > > New tent: North Face Heron 23. > > Doug L *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
This may be the weekend when teenage girl friends really become essential for camping survival, or at least some semblance of creature comfort. REI seems to have quite a few, in assorted sizes. Brad Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>: > I would give a lot to be able to hear the chit-chat at the S. Pender > campsite right about now (8am Saturday morning). It was 29F at 5am today but > at least we didn't get any snow. I think the Puget Sound and Gulf Islands > area got some. I know Everett did. > > I'm thinking Doug is going to appreciate that new tent. Hope he has a good > sleeping bag and a nice, thick, comfy pad. Those and a good book will get ya > through a lot. > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA (with the furnace set to 71F) > > > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Okay Bob, it's 2:30 am westcoast time, I'm all packed up for Pender Island >> in the morning - up at 6:00am. Meeting Dave from Astoria en route and a >> bunch of other paddlers from Westcoastpaddler.com for a couple of days. The >> kayak was a bit heavy to get on the roof racks - covered in snow. Report of >> possible waterspouts in Georgia Strait. So, what item should I take despite >> weight. Thinking about the Colman catalytic heater. Not sure if it will fit >> in the kayak though. Back deck? :-) Bought an overbag today, too. >> >> Bought a ton of new gear. Alaska or bust some day. >> >> New tent: North Face Heron 23. >> >> Doug L *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Craig Jungers wrote: > I would give a lot to be able to hear the chit-chat at the S. Pender > campsite right about now (8am Saturday morning). It was 29F at 5am today but > at least we didn't get any snow. I think the Puget Sound and Gulf Islands > area got some. I know Everett did. Wet slush, was more like it. About 36 F and "snowing" at a car campground near Sidney, BC. Big Bad Bruce and I packed it all away and headed out to the ferry, ducting Doug into our wake on Saturday morning, launching from N. Pender and joining the throng at Beaumont Marine Park on S. Pender. A truly beautiful site. We missed the snow in camp, but it was the coldest winter camp I have ever had kayaking in mid-April! Thanks to the largesse of one of the principals of WestCoastPaddler, there was a mongo MSR tarp to huddle under while quaffing brews, telling lies, cooking, and genuflecting to the spirits. We got in a wonderful circuit around S. Pender on a sunny, bright day, and dodged power boats in the narrow channel separating the two Penders. Others did other tours from this scenic site. I expect Doug will chime in here somewhere. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Doug Lloyd wrote: > Okay Bob, it's 2:30 am westcoast time, I'm all packed up for Pender > Island in the morning - up at 6:00am. Meeting Dave from Astoria en route > and a bunch of other paddlers from Westcoastpaddler.com for a couple of > days. The kayak was a bit heavy to get on the roof racks - covered in > snow. Report of possible waterspouts in Georgia Strait. So, what item > should I take despite weight. Thinking about the Colman catalytic > heater. Not sure if it will fit in the kayak though. Back deck? :-) > Bought an overbag today, too. I'd guess, some more gel coat, for dragging that boat up the cliff at an illicit spot. [grin] Great trip, despite the snow, steak (a Doug Lloyd gift), brandy, and terrific companionship. Love my new paddle -- thanks, WCP! -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
> Bought a ton of new gear. Alaska or bust some day. Doug Come on up to Alaska! It finally stopped snowing! Still cold though. Yesterday morning is was about 35 degrees and blowing about 25. Chilly! My son gets home from college in about two weeks so hopefully we can find some time kayak camp before he starts his summer job repairing cabins for the forest service. By the way if anyone who dreams of kayaking in Alaska let me recommend the LeConte Glacier. It is about 24 miles from Petersburg and provides stunning scenery and magnificent icebergs. There are several campsites along the way and an excellent one inside LeConte Bay itself. Another trip out of Petersburg is a late July early August kayak from Petersburg to Kake. About 65 miles with lots of humpback whales. Also Petersburg is on the Seattle to Skagway or Glacier bay route and I would be glad to assist anyone attempting that trip. Petersburg is accessible by the Marine Highway system and Alaska Airlines. If any one out there wants to come up I can assist you with logistics, maps, mail pick up, boat hauling, a place to sleep at the church, plenty of stories ect. Just send me an email and we can get to planning see you on the water Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net> wrote: > > > > Come on up to Alaska! It finally stopped snowing! Still cold though. > Yesterday morning is was about 35 degrees and blowing about 25. Chilly! > Rev... I heard north Seattle got 5 inches of snow yesterday. LOL. Looks like we've beat out Alaska for crappy weather for once. :D My wife and I have differing ideas about how to visit Alaska. I want to do it with the kayaks on the AK ferries and she wants to do it in the warm luxury of a cruise ship. We may have to go separately. :P Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
My wife and I have differing ideas about how to visit Alaska. I want to do it with the kayaks on the AK ferries and she wants to do it in the warm luxury of a cruise ship. We may have to go separately. :P Compromise, take one of the smaller cruise ship with lots of kayaks stacked on deck. They let you day paddle in so pretty nice remote bays. Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] Better yet - go by mother-ship. There are a number of them plying the waters of Alaska, usually carrying 6 or 8 passengers.. We've been on two trips with Kayak Transport Co, aboard the Abyssinia. They do the driving and carry the kayaks and gear; we padle. Plus, hot showers, comfy beds, great food, amazing scenery - even TV, if you happen to want it. Joan Bob Carter wrote: > My wife and I have differing ideas about how to visit Alaska. I want to do > it with the kayaks on the AK ferries and she wants to do it in the warm luxury > of a cruise ship. We may have to go separately. :P > > Compromise, take one of the smaller cruise ship with lots of kayaks stacked > on deck. They let you day paddle in so pretty nice remote bays. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Mark said: > "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if > the > weight ought not allow it"? Mark, It's not the weight that is the critical factor, it's the size. Can it fit in your boat along with all of your other gear? That said, my biggest luxury item is a folding chair to sit on. If paddling on an ocean trip, I'll use a small backpackers chair inside a plastic bag inside the rear hatch. If paddling on a river trip, I've been known to bungie a full size beach chair to my back deck. Steve Holtzman __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3034 (20080417) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] Hi. I'm not sure this is right, but it works for me. I don't really worry about weight too much since the kayak is carrying it. A weightier boat takes longer to get to speed but once there I don't find it really any more difficult to keep it there than a lighter payload. So what I worry about more is volume. In that regard there are several things that take up more space than is strictly required but I consider them worth it. 1 - A pillow. I use a little camp pillow but it's way better than a ball of clothes stuffed into a sack. 2 - A 2 person tent. I just prefer the space, especially in the vestibule area. 3 - Wine/beer. 4 - An extra set of clothes. Being able to put on dry clothes the day after your other set got soaked in a rainstorm is really, really nice. Enjoy your trip. For me camping is the best reason to get into a sea kayak. ---Rick On Apr 16, 2008, at 8:27 PM, Mark Sanders wrote: > Howdy, > > I've never been on a camping trip in my kayak; a situation I hope > to remedy > soon. I know everyone tries to keep stuff down to a minimum, but > I'd like to > ask the list: "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even > if the > weight ought not allow it"? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi. I'm not sure this is right, but it works for me. I don't really worry about weight too much since the kayak is carrying it. A weightier boat takes longer to get to speed but once there I don't find it really any more difficult to keep it there than a lighter payload. So what I worry about more is volume. In that regard there are several things that take up more space than is strictly required but I consider them worth it. 1 - A pillow. I use a little camp pillow but it's way better than a ball of clothes stuffed into a sack. 2 - A 2 person tent. I just prefer the space, especially in the vestibule area. 3 - Wine/beer. 4 - An extra set of clothes. Being able to put on dry clothes the day after your other set got soaked in a rainstorm is really, really nice. Enjoy your trip. For me camping is the best reason to get into a sea kayak. ---Rick On Apr 16, 2008, at 8:27 PM, Mark Sanders wrote: > Howdy, > > I've never been on a camping trip in my kayak; a situation I hope > to remedy > soon. I know everyone tries to keep stuff down to a minimum, but > I'd like to > ask the list: "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even > if the > weight ought not allow it"? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
[Please remove all old content that is not pertinent to your reply including old headers and footers. It's list policy.... this post was modified to meet policy] An Exped 25" wide x 7' long 4 inch thick down mattress. It's that good, trust me. Cheers, Rob G -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com> Howdy, I've never been on a camping trip in my kayak; a situation I hope to remedy soon. I know everyone tries to keep stuff down to a minimum, but I'd like to ask the list: "what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the weight ought not allow it"? *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I have to agree with Crag about REI. I always look there first (also a member since the 60's but I am a 5-digit member). Cabela's is also impressively huge with high quality outdoor gear. They cater to the camping, hunting and fishing crowd who demand quailty gear. Patagonia has outstanding outdoor clothing http://www.patagonia.com/ Camping World can get you in trouble looking for camping luxuries http://www.campingworld.com/ Dave > [Original Message] > From: Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> > To: Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net> > Cc: PaddleWise <paddlewise_at_paddlewise.net> > Date: 4/18/2008 8:55:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Paddlewise] Kayak Camping Question > > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Steve Cramer <cramersec_at_charter.net> wrote: > > > We frequently have 2 MDs in the group, but as one of them is an OBGYN and > > the other a pathologist, they're really only useful in cases of vaginal > > bleeding or if you're already dead, neither one being very up to date on > > emergency medicine for injuries. > > > > This thread lasted longer than most before deteriorating. <grin> I think > it's a testament to what a lot of us are thinking about right now. > > Since we've covered what we'd take, maybe we should cover where to buy it. > > REI. Last year my dividend from REI was bigger than the GDP of Haiti. I've > been a member of this organization since about... um... 1963 or so and have > a membership number in the low six figures. For a long time REI was really > the only place to buy mountaineering equipment in the Seattle area until the > Swallow's Nest opened up in the 70s (under a bridge... well, it was a high > bridge). Nowadays REI is a bit yuppie but along with the fancy shirts and > spendy boots they also carry good technical gear. Better yet, they have a > discount store on the web with some seriously good bargains. REI also ships > free to a store near you. Semi-annual in-store sales are a ritual in my > family. www.rei.com > > Campmor may actually have a real store somewhere, I don't know. What Campmor > has is a little black-and-white catalog that comes out every two or three > days (ok... maybe 4 times a year... but it seems like we get a new one > often). My wife and I fight over who gets to rummage through the latest > version. Very good bargains especially on close-out tents, sleeping bags, > stoves, freeze-dried food, and some gadgets. Be careful what you get. They > are pretty good at marking tents as "not free standing" for instance, but > you still need to research closely. Otherwise, an outstanding outlet for > camping gear. www.campmor.com. > > Cabela's. Lots of stuff. Not all applicable to kayak camping or even > backpacking, but a lot of it is. > > NRS. Great stuff and great people. > > So... where do you all buy YOUR toys? > > > Craig Jungers > Moses Lake, WA *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>"what is the one luxury item you have to bring even if the > weight ought not allow it"? for our Everglades trip last Feb.... 1 pint of vodka 1 bottle of Merlot 1 stunt kite Keep on, Ray *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Steve wrote: "Packing a kayak for camping the first time is similar to putting a Klepper together the first time. Incredulity (This all can't fit!) followed by trial and error (Should have put this in first) followed by logical thinking in 3 dimensions (OK, so the space behind the skeg box must be about...but the space alongside the skeg box is only...) followed by amazement (Dang! It did fit). I'd suggest doing it for the first time in your garage, not on the beach." This is a photo taken during our first serious packing of our Klepper, as we're off to paddle round Skye, Scotland. Ann-Christine, my wife, didn't believe that it all would go in, but it did, (minus one or two big items that had to be strapped to the deck). That's her sitting in the background, already having given up ... http://foldingkayaks.org/gallery/Skye%2C-Scotland%2C-2004/Almost_ready_to_go_with_tent_at_the_stern_and_stove_and_folding_stools_up_front --------- Craig wrote that many NW paddlers love their Hennessy's Hammocks and the Trangia cooking sets. I have used Trangias since I was a kid, but they did have one design flaw, originally, and that was the burner, that only ran on denaturated alcohol (heated whiskey is said to work, too, but kills the burner eventually). So, if you didn't use every drop of fuel in the burner it leaked into the pots and pans, making the food taste really bad (no screw cap on the burner in those days). And then I went on a winter expedition: really, really cold, and the darn fuel didn't really produce enough heat - boiling some water took maybe a half hour! Cooking was possible, but took ages! Most of the others had modified their Trangias for kerosene burners, and cooked faster than lightning! So I bought a compact Optimus burner, but that darn thing ran only well on white spirits, which is harder to find than elephants on Madison Avenue, if you are in Sweden, that is! So then I switched to a MSR XKG, running on kerosene, and I have never looked back! I still used the Trangia pots and pans, and adapted the set for a Whisperlite, but eventually switched to MSR pots and pans, but kept the Trangia frying pan, and the Trangia grip (nicer than the MSR, I think)! Trangia also used to have a slightly bigger frying pan, with a folding handle, and a lid, which was superb, alas no more available! Trangias with butane burners came years later, as did the present generation with a coating that is said to be the hardest there is - similar to MSR's, I guess .. Older-style Trangias are available in the UK for a pittance, by the way, becoming surplus when the Swedish Armed Forces started to mave away from a conscript army (when I was a younger lad, almost all men did their conscript service, now just a few tens of thousand do it, plus as many female volunteers there are - a total no-no in my day). Tord -- Want an e-mail address like mine? Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The Hennessey guys looked cold off the ground. My MEC overbag/summer bag combo was great for me in my new tent, even if I did add fleece clothing to the nighttime garb. Lots of wine and off-sales beer from Poet's Cove resort helped too. And then there was the food. Man, lots of food - all shared in a huge MSR communal tent. For horrible April weather (last time it snowed this late was back in 1955 or so), spirits were very high and for an internet-based un-club, everyone shared an amazing camaraderie. The plastic feet on my Coleman heater collapsed. I saw it buckle out of the corner of my eye so saved the nrw tent floor from melting, with only minimal burning to my hands (the rim of the heater is dangerously hot). I brought it on a whim and had wanted to load up my new Forager with tons of gear to test it out. I only used the heat for a few minutes. Dave paddled back to North Pender to his vehicle via the east side and on to the Otter Bay ferry, while I left early to paddle the west side of North Pender (I typically only do this side of Pender in a big blow, as it is all cliffs with tremendous clapotis - for inland waters, anyway). I had to wait between ferries to illegally gain shore access to Otter Bay ferry terminal between staffing runs. This is an old favorite trick of mine for returning after storm paddling the Gulf Islands in my younger days, usually involving throwing my Nordkapp over different chain link fences of various outer gulf island ferry terminals with locked-down access. I uphauled my new Forager, with mass quantities of gear still in it, up to a ledge under the ferry ramp. I left half the hull behind on the rocks and barnacles. It was a good test of the epoxy stitch and glue hull and my regaining strength. Doug Alderson's boats are the most well built S&G's I know off. I didn't think the gouges and sever chipping the hull received during the uphaul was as durable as the Nordkapp's gelcoat/factory glass layer/Lloyds inner double 6oz layer construction. The epoxy S&G matrix scuffs away more material as the epoxy chips in large chuncks. However, the boat was lighter once commando-unloaded and rammed up through the restricted access gate. I'm getting too old for this kind of stuff Craig. Fortunately I didn't involve any other paddlers. And one day I might just be content to lazz about on my thick thermarest, not look for jobbly water, and paddle home to my vehicle in a normal fashion - after enjoying just the kayak-camping experience for the simple pleasure of it, cold or warm. One day... ----- Original Message ----- I would give a lot to be able to hear the chit-chat at the S. Pender campsite right about now (8am Saturday morning). It was 29F at 5am today but at least we didn't get any snow. I think the Puget Sound and Gulf Islands area got some. I know Everett did. I'm thinking Doug is going to appreciate that new tent. Hope he has a good sleeping bag and a nice, thick, comfy pad. Those and a good book will get ya through a lot. Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA (with the furnace set to 71F) On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: Okay Bob, it's 2:30 am westcoast time, I'm all packed up for Pender Island in the morning - up at 6:00am. Meeting Dave from Astoria en route and a bunch of other paddlers from Westcoastpaddler.com for a couple of days. The kayak was a bit heavy to get on the roof racks - covered in snow. Report of possible waterspouts in Georgia Strait. So, what item should I take despite weight. Thinking about the Colman catalytic heater. Not sure if it will fit in the kayak though. Back deck? :-) Bought an overbag today, too. Bought a ton of new gear. Alaska or bust some day. New tent: North Face Heron 23. Doug L *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: > I'm getting too old for this kind of stuff Craig. > > Ya... mothership here we all come. Mine is going to have a diesel furnace built-in as soon as I install it. I should be ashamed, I suppose. But I'm not. <grin> Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA PS: Considering all the crap you've gone through in the last year, Doug... Good on ya! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Bradford R. Crain wrote: > Dave: Glad to hear that you made it back alive. Did you have to wear > your dry suit 24 hours a day? No. Not that wet, actually. Was in the high 30's to low 40's unless the sun was shining. Cold on the water, though; I never wear gloves on the water, but had to this trip. Initial photos here: http://www.westcoastpaddler.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=1880 -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Perhaps it is one of those Zen experiences I'll only want to experience once, but I'd like to paddle in the snow and ice some day. The air and water were both about 60 degrees the other day on my chilly paddle. We can't all be as lucky as you folk. MS -----Original Message----- Bradford R. Crain wrote: > Dave: Glad to hear that you made it back alive. Did you have to wear > your dry suit 24 hours a day? No. Not that wet, actually. Was in the high 30's to low 40's unless the sun was shining. Cold on the water, though; I never wear gloves on the water, but had to this trip. Initial photos here: http://www.westcoastpaddler.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=1880 -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com> wrote: > Perhaps it is one of those Zen experiences I'll only want to experience > once, but I'd like to paddle in the snow and ice some day. > Trust me, it's not as nice as it sounds. Craig *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Some day you'll be able to paddle in the snow and ice in Dubai, and then go directly to the beach for a swim, tan, and brew. Until then, I may stay firmly planted in front of the TV. BRC Quoting Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com>: > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Mark Sanders <sandmarks_at_ca.rr.com> wrote: > >> Perhaps it is one of those Zen experiences I'll only want to experience >> once, but I'd like to paddle in the snow and ice some day. >> > > Trust me, it's not as nice as it sounds. > > Craig *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
>>> Perhaps it is one of those Zen experiences I'll only want to experience >>> once, but I'd like to paddle in the snow and ice some day. Friends, Untill you have seakayaked in the midst of towering icebergs and become caught up in child like wonder at these cold living sculptures of water and wind, you just haven't lived. Mr. cold fingers himself Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
When your hot your hot! > Rev Bob: > > I imagine it's a heart-warming experience, but that's just a guess. > > Brad > > Quoting Bob Carter <revkayak_at_aptalaska.net>: > >>>>> Perhaps it is one of those Zen experiences I'll only want to >>>>> experience once, but I'd like to paddle in the snow and ice some >>>>> day. >> >> >> Friends, >> Untill you have seakayaked in the midst of towering icebergs and become >> caught up in child like wonder at these cold living sculptures of water >> and wind, you just haven't lived. >> >> Mr. cold fingers himself >> >> Bob *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I was WAY impressed with Dave after actually talking to him about his bartender. Talk about winding down your kayak life in style, grace, and practical panache! Doug L On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Doug Lloyd <douglloyd_at_shaw.ca> wrote: I'm getting too old for this kind of stuff Craig. Ya... mothership here we all come. Mine is going to have a diesel furnace built-in as soon as I install it. I should be ashamed, I suppose. But I'm not. <grin> Craig Jungers Moses Lake, WA PS: Considering all the crap you've gone through in the last year, Doug... Good on ya! *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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