Hi Jackie, I hope you're doing well. Are you still the PaddleWise administrator? I've seen the postings on PW and thought I might offer a note, if you'd post this on my behalf: I've appreciated the many comments made by the PaddleWise community in the wake of the news that Sea Kayaker magazine is closing. We made the first announcements on November 12, and the process of letting people know continues. It's quite true that PaddleWise has been a great resource for Sea Kayaker. It is the one forum that I have regularly followed; a number of writers have come from your ranks and your thoughtful discussions have inspired a number of article ideas. For our final issue were going to be including notes from readers who wanted to comment on the closing of the magazine as well as changes they see in sea kayaking. I'd be happy to hear from Paddlewise members too. You can email me at chris_at_seakayakermag.com Best wishes to you all, Chris Cunningham editor, Sea Kayaker magazine Thanks, Chris Christopher Cunningham Editor, Sea Kayaker magazine P.O Box 17029 Seattle WA 98127 (206) 789-1326 www.seakayakermag.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Chris, I know I speak for many when I say we are truly going to miss Sea Kayaker magazine and we are very sad to see it go. We are grateful to Kirk Olsen who took over administrative duties of PaddleWise for several years and who recently handed those duties back to us. We are looking at offering PaddleWise on Facebook so that members can post their stories along with photos. It has been one of the major downsides of this type of forum... the inability to mail photos and have them reach PaddleWise users. Email filters can be brutal on a list such as PaddleWise. And having recently taken back responsibilities, we have seen that the filtering has become even more difficult to work around. Bob is working on it, though. Several of us were wondering if you would be archiving Sea Kayaker as Rich mentioned since Sea Kayaker is such a valuable resource of paddling information over many many years. We so hope you do :) Thank you for producing such a world-class, wonderful sea kayaking magazine so many of us enjoyed and gained a great deal of knowledge and thank you for your support of PaddleWise over the years. Best wishes to you and your future endeavors, Chris :) Jackie p.s How can folks get on your list for the final issue? Can those who were not subscribed find it at the magazine stands or purchase it directly from Sea Kayaker? On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Christopher Cunningham wrote: > Hi Jackie, > I hope you're doing well. Are you still the PaddleWise administrator? I've seen the postings on PW and thought I might offer a note, if you'd post this on my behalf: > > I've appreciated the many comments made by the PaddleWise community in the wake of the news that Sea Kayaker magazine is closing. We made the first announcements on November 12, and the process of letting people know continues. It's quite true that PaddleWise has been a great resource for Sea Kayaker. It is the one forum that I have regularly followed; a number of writers have come from your ranks and your thoughtful discussions have inspired a number of article ideas. > For our final issue were going to be including notes from readers who wanted to comment on the closing of the magazine as well as changes they see in sea kayaking. I'd be happy to hear from Paddlewise members too. You can email me at chris_at_seakayakermag.com > Best wishes to you all, > Chris Cunningham > editor, Sea Kayaker magazine > > > > > > Thanks, > Chris > > Christopher Cunningham > Editor, > Sea Kayaker magazine > P.O Box 17029 > Seattle WA 98127 > > (206) 789-1326 > > www.seakayakermag.com > > > > > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Jackie, Thanks for the reminder about Kirk. I knew that but it slipped my mind. I'm not surprised that you've faced some challenges keeping PW current. So much is possible now and expectations grow. Photos would be a good addition to the forum. WoodenBoat has been able to include photos on its forum and they do help conversations and draw search hits. Anyone who would like to get the final issue can call us or go to the web site. The usual avenues for subscriptions are now offering just the final issue. My thanks to you for your work with PW. It was a wealth of information about sea kayaking and it allowed me to see how late Doug Lloyd was staying up. On a few occasions I saw Doug's late-night posts and I'd send him a note the next day telling him to get more sleep. Thanks, Chris Christopher Cunningham Editor, Sea Kayaker magazine P.O Box 17029 Seattle WA 98127 (206) 789-1326 www.seakayakermag.com On Nov 21, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Jackie Myers wrote: > Hi Chris, > > I know I speak for many when I say we are truly going to miss Sea > Kayaker magazine and we are very sad to see it go. > > We are grateful to Kirk Olsen who took over administrative duties of > PaddleWise for several years and who recently handed those duties > back to us. We are looking at offering PaddleWise on Facebook so > that members can post their stories along with photos. It has been > one of the major downsides of this type of forum... the inability to > mail photos and have them reach PaddleWise users. Email filters can > be brutal on a list such as PaddleWise. And having recently taken > back responsibilities, we have seen that the filtering has become > even more difficult to work around. Bob is working on it, though. > > Several of us were wondering if you would be archiving Sea Kayaker > as Rich mentioned since Sea Kayaker is such a valuable resource of > paddling information over many many years. We so hope you do :) > > Thank you for producing such a world-class, wonderful sea kayaking > magazine so many of us enjoyed and gained a great deal of knowledge > and thank you for your support of PaddleWise over the years. > > Best wishes to you and your future endeavors, Chris :) > > Jackie > > p.s How can folks get on your list for the final issue? Can those > who were not subscribed find it at the magazine stands or purchase > it directly from Sea Kayaker? > > > > On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Christopher Cunningham wrote: > >> Hi Jackie, >> I hope you're doing well. Are you still the PaddleWise >> administrator? I've seen the postings on PW and thought I might >> offer a note, if you'd post this on my behalf: >> >> I've appreciated the many comments made by the PaddleWise >> community in the wake of the news that Sea Kayaker magazine is >> closing. We made the first announcements on November 12, and the >> process of letting people know continues. It's quite true that >> PaddleWise has been a great resource for Sea Kayaker. It is the one >> forum that I have regularly followed; a number of writers have come >> from your ranks and your thoughtful discussions have inspired a >> number of article ideas. >> For our final issue were going to be including notes from readers >> who wanted to comment on the closing of the magazine as well as >> changes they see in sea kayaking. I'd be happy to hear from >> Paddlewise members too. You can email me at chris_at_seakayakermag.com >> Best wishes to you all, >> Chris Cunningham >> editor, Sea Kayaker magazine >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> Christopher Cunningham >> Editor, >> Sea Kayaker magazine >> P.O Box 17029 >> Seattle WA 98127 >> >> (206) 789-1326 >> >> www.seakayakermag.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
For those who missed it Jackie Myers has retaken control of paddlewise. While I may have done a fine job of moderating I did nothing in terms of adding appeal to the list by keeping pace with current technology or updating the website. It's been a fine run (I believe 10 years) I look forward to seeing what Jackie and do with the list and domains. Kirk On Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 02:38 PM, Jackie Myers wrote: > We are grateful to Kirk Olsen who took over administrative duties of > PaddleWise for several years and who recently handed those duties back to > us. We are looking at offering PaddleWise on Facebook so that members > can post their stories along with photos. It has been one of the major > downsides of this type of forum... the inability to mail photos and have > them reach PaddleWise users. Email filters can be brutal on a list such > as PaddleWise. And having recently taken back responsibilities, we have > seen that the filtering has become even more difficult to work around. > Bob is working on it, though. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Argh, I missed a word in my sentence - and need to get it addressed. 'I look forward to seeing what Jackie and BOB do with the list and domains.' Credit needs to be given where credit is well deserved. Bob Myers has kept paddlewise going behind the scenes and I greatly appreciated all of his help and contributions. Kirk On Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 07:21 AM, Kirk Olsen wrote: > For those who missed it Jackie Myers has retaken control of paddlewise. > > It's been a fine run (I believe 10 years) I look forward to seeing what > Jackie and do with the list and domains. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks for all your work. We (at least most of us) knew Bob was the wizard behind the curtain all along. It has been a fine run and maybe it's not over yet. Forums are still popular... the one I have (bigboxbikes.com) was growing like mad until September but perhaps that's just a seasonal aberration. The nice thing about forums is that you can put ads on them that can actually enhance the site because they see the content and look for ads that fit. I'm surprised at how well they fit into my forum but it took a few months. With just a few hundred visits a day I get enough revenue to pay for the hosting plus a tank of gas every month. I also started hosting on bluehost.com a few years back once I sold off our ISP; it is amazingly cheap. Plus you can get ssh access which makes old unix guys happy; I get confused with all the web page admin tools out there. The other nice thing about a forum is you can categorize it (camping, surfing, SUP, rock gardens, expeditions, etc.) and, of course, the photos. I used phpbb and haven't really customized it much. I'm sure Bob can come up with something lots better. :P Craig On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com> wrote: > Argh, I missed a word in my sentence - and need to get it addressed. > > 'I look forward to seeing what Jackie and BOB do with the list and > domains.' > > Credit needs to be given where credit is well deserved. Bob Myers has > kept paddlewise going behind the scenes and I greatly appreciated all of > his help and contributions. > > Kirk > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 07:21 AM, Kirk Olsen wrote: > > For those who missed it Jackie Myers has retaken control of paddlewise. > > > > It's been a fine run (I believe 10 years) I look forward to seeing what > > Jackie and do with the list and domains. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
oops- missed this, Craig- sorry- it's been quite the week for me and I let emails go unread for a few days. I support what you say below. And I also thank everybody who has been keeping this list going and all of the interesting posts. Good job. Pat Baird Vancouver On 22 November 2013 08:54, Craig Jungers <crjungers_at_gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for all your work. We (at least most of us) knew Bob was the wizard > behind the curtain all along. It has been a fine run and maybe it's not > over yet. > > Forums are still popular... the one I have (bigboxbikes.com) was growing > like mad until September but perhaps that's just a seasonal aberration. The > nice thing about forums is that you can put ads on them that can actually > enhance the site because they see the content and look for ads that fit. > I'm surprised at how well they fit into my forum but it took a few months. > With just a few hundred visits a day I get enough revenue to pay for the > hosting plus a tank of gas every month. > > I also started hosting on bluehost.com a few years back once I sold off > our ISP; it is amazingly cheap. Plus you can get ssh access which makes old > unix guys happy; I get confused with all the web page admin tools out > there. > > The other nice thing about a forum is you can categorize it (camping, > surfing, SUP, rock gardens, expeditions, etc.) and, of course, the photos. > > I used phpbb and haven't really customized it much. I'm sure Bob can come > up with something lots better. :P > > Craig > > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com> wrote: > >> Argh, I missed a word in my sentence - and need to get it addressed. >> >> 'I look forward to seeing what Jackie and BOB do with the list and >> domains.' >> >> Credit needs to be given where credit is well deserved. Bob Myers has >> kept paddlewise going behind the scenes and I greatly appreciated all of >> his help and contributions. >> >> Kirk >> >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013, at 07:21 AM, Kirk Olsen wrote: >> > For those who missed it Jackie Myers has retaken control of paddlewise. >> > >> > It's been a fine run (I believe 10 years) I look forward to seeing what >> > Jackie and do with the list and domains. >> > > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I believe that's right, Kirk. I think it was 2003 when the transfer happened (sometimes it really scares me how fast time flies). We have learned that, over the years, mail handlers have become downright fierce about preventing spam and they didn't like the switch. I don't know enough about it as Bob has been working on it. We are very grateful to you for keeping PaddleWise going all these years. Thank you! :) Jackie p.s. I respectfully disagree that you On Nov 22, 2013, at 4:21 AM, Kirk Olsen wrote: > For those who missed it Jackie Myers has retaken control of paddlewise. > > While I may have done a fine job of moderating I did nothing in terms of > adding appeal to the list by keeping pace with current technology or > updating the website. > > It's been a fine run (I believe 10 years) I look forward to seeing what > Jackie and do with the list and domains. > > Kirk > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 02:38 PM, Jackie Myers wrote: > >> We are grateful to Kirk Olsen who took over administrative duties of >> PaddleWise for several years and who recently handed those duties back to >> us. We are looking at offering PaddleWise on Facebook so that members >> can post their stories along with photos. It has been one of the major >> downsides of this type of forum... the inability to mail photos and have >> them reach PaddleWise users. Email filters can be brutal on a list such >> as PaddleWise. And having recently taken back responsibilities, we have >> seen that the filtering has become even more difficult to work around. >> Bob is working on it, though. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
One of the nice things about Paddlewise is the lack of "noise" surrounding the communications. True, photos take an extra step of posting to an on-line host and including a link, but that's not so hard. There are modern forum possibilities that do include photos, that don't require members to join anything but that forum. I know a number of people who refuse to acquire a FaceBook or Google+ id just because they don't want the exposure -real or imagined - that comes with it. I hope an alternative is found that meets the needs of Paddlewise but does not require signing up for anything other than Paddlewise. Carey (As I was typing this, a similar message just came in from Craig Jungers. I agree with what he's saying.) On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Kirk Olsen <kork4_at_cluemail.com> wrote: > For those who missed it Jackie Myers has retaken control of paddlewise. > > While I may have done a fine job of moderating I did nothing in terms of > adding appeal to the list by keeping pace with current technology or > updating the website. > > It's been a fine run (I believe 10 years) I look forward to seeing what > Jackie and do with the list and domains. > > Kirk > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013, at 02:38 PM, Jackie Myers wrote: > > > We are grateful to Kirk Olsen who took over administrative duties of > > PaddleWise for several years and who recently handed those duties back to > > us. We are looking at offering PaddleWise on Facebook so that members > > can post their stories along with photos. It has been one of the major > > downsides of this type of forum... the inability to mail photos and have > > them reach PaddleWise users. Email filters can be brutal on a list such > > as PaddleWise. And having recently taken back responsibilities, we have > > seen that the filtering has become even more difficult to work around. > > Bob is working on it, though. > -- http://parkswhistles.com/ http://www.facebook.com/carey.parks http://twitter.com/LuthierCarey *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Carey, On Friday, November 22, 2013, at 9:01:47 AM PST, you wrote: > I know a number of people who refuse to acquire a FaceBook or > Google+ id just because they don't want the exposure -real or > imagined - that comes with it. I resemble that remark. No Facebook, no Twitter. I don't even like "smart" phones. > I hope an alternative is found that meets the needs of Paddlewise > but does not require signing up for anything other than Paddlewise. I concur. If something like Facebook is what we end up with, I'm out. -- Melissa *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
On 22/11/2013 5:03 PM, Melissa Reese wrote: > Hi Carey, > > On Friday, November 22, 2013, at 9:01:47 AM PST, you wrote: > >> I know a number of people who refuse to acquire a FaceBook or >> Google+ id just because they don't want the exposure -real or >> imagined - that comes with it. > > I resemble that remark. No Facebook, no Twitter. I don't even like > "smart" phones. > >> I hope an alternative is found that meets the needs of Paddlewise >> but does not require signing up for anything other than Paddlewise. > > I concur. If something like Facebook is what we end up with, I'm out. > Add my name to the "No Facebook" crowd. (I'm hoping we're a crowd!) I do have to admit to having a smartphone and using Twitter, although my Twitter following is limited to city news, traffic construction updates and the local CBC weatherman. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've always liked the ease of getting the Paddlewise content through my email, though I think lack of photos makes the other avenues more enticing. I gave up on FB and don't want to go back, but that means I miss a lot of content I'm sure I could enjoy. Mark Sanders On 11/22/2013 9:01 AM, Carey Parks wrote: > One of the nice things about Paddlewise is the lack of "noise" > surrounding the communications. True, photos take an extra step of > posting to an on-line host and including a link, but that's not so > hard. There are modern forum possibilities that do include photos, > that don't require members to join anything but that forum. I know a > number of people who refuse to acquire a FaceBook or Google+ id just > because they don't want the exposure -real or imagined - that comes > with it. > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
melissa..... me too.... my kids (& wife) all make fun of my phone ..... calling it "a special needs phone" .... no face book, no twitter (not even sure if i can spell it right) no social media at all...except email steve west central florida kayaking & sailing In a message dated 11/22/2013 5:04:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, melissa_at_willkayakforfood.net writes: Hi Carey, On Friday, November 22, 2013, at 9:01:47 AM PST, you wrote: > I know a number of people who refuse to acquire a FaceBook or > Google+ id just because they don't want the exposure -real or > imagined - that comes with it. I resemble that remark. No Facebook, no Twitter. I don't even like "smart" phones. > I hope an alternative is found that meets the needs of Paddlewise > but does not require signing up for anything other than Paddlewise. I concur. If something like Facebook is what we end up with, I'm out. -- Melissa *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Thanks to Kurt for his efforts these last ten years and welcome back, Jackie and Bob! An email-based moderated listserv with perhaps a dedicated cache on a friendly server for photos might be the best way to continue. Several forums use the popular phpBB software with good results, integrating text and photos. Of the three or four in which I have participated, the last ten years, West Coast Paddler has been the best run and may be a model for where Paddlewise goes. A critical ingredient is strong, hands on moderation by someone, or a few someones. I know that WCP has a brain trust in the background which often discusses editorial decisions before they are implemented. Paddlewise was the fortunate offspring of weak editorial management of the old Wavelength listserv, destroyed by the sp*ns*n controversy. Facebook has been suggested as a platform for Paddlewise. Perhaps for photos, but, please, not for text based debate. The FB interface for text is slow and cumbersome. With several fine email clients out there, seems crazy not to stick with email as the basis for text, with embedded links to photos somewhere common. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR*************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I like the West Coast Paddler site and post there, but feel like an oddball cousin, as it seems geared to northern west coast paddlers. The worldwide scope of Paddlewise was part of its appeal to me. WCP is nice in at least you get an indication of how many people have bothered to check out your post, as often I feel like a tree falling in the woods. Funny that just this morn, I noticed a post on WCP about sp*ns*ns and thought, "OK there they go!" Good thing Dave was there to warn them! I own a pair and like to take them on crossings, but that's about it. On 11/23/2013 12:34 AM, Dave Kruger wrote: > An email-based moderated listserv with perhaps a dedicated cache on a > friendly server for photos might be the best way to continue. Several > forums use the popular phpBB software with good results, integrating > text and photos. Of the three or four in which I have participated, > the last ten years, West Coast Paddler has been the best run and may > be a model for where Paddlewise goes. A critical ingredient is > strong, hands on moderation by someone, or a few someones. I know > that WCP has a brain trust in the background which often discusses > editorial decisions before they are implemented. Paddlewise was the > fortunate offspring of weak editorial management of the old Wavelength > listserv, destroyed by the sp*ns*n controversy. *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Spittoons! What a saga that was. (I'll have to go check out West Coast Paddler and have a chuckle.) (BTW: There was a photo circulated of them in Germany in the 1930s, so any recent patent is challengeable as long as you don't use anyone patented attachment mechanisms.) On 23/11/2013 12:15 PM, Mark Sanders wrote: > Funny that just this morn, I noticed a post on WCP about sp*ns*ns and thought, > "OK there they go!" Good thing Dave was there to warn them! > I own a pair and like to take them on crossings, but that's about it. > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6834 - Release Date: 11/13/13 *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
The forum format does take some moderation but, at least in my case, not much of it. I've never run an email list (like Paddlewise) so I can't compare the two but my bicycle forum is relatively tame. There have been no real controversies except for the odd "walmart bikes all fall apart in a week" post (about one a year... and I delete them immediately as trolls). The only downside I can see is that participants can more easily just drift away. Paddlewise just "shows up" but one has to be more proactive with a forum. Some forums have overcome this with an email of every additional post in a thread you're interested in. But this can get annoying, too. I like Facebook for its rambling spur-of-the-moment posts, but I agree that it is best in short doses; a long story gets passed by.... at least by me. The forum format does allow for a better mix of interests, too. The biggest issue for a forum is spam; mostly from RU, BE, UE areas. The easy solution for that is to block them by IP address (phpBB lets you do that). I have learned that lesson the hard way. :P It would be nice to see Paddlewise grow again. I've slowed my paddling (and stopped flying completely) as I have moved into my 70s. Arthritis is the main problem. I'm still interested but no longer obsessed. :) Craig On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote: > Thanks to Kurt for his efforts these last ten years and welcome back, > Jackie and Bob! > > An email-based moderated listserv with perhaps a dedicated cache on a > friendly server for photos might be the best way to continue. Several > forums use the popular phpBB software with good results, integrating text > and photos. Of the three or four in which I have participated, the last > ten years, West Coast Paddler has been the best run and may be a model for > where Paddlewise goes. A critical ingredient is strong, hands on > moderation by someone, or a few someones. I know that WCP has a brain > trust in the background which often discusses editorial decisions before > they are implemented. Paddlewise was the fortunate offspring of weak > editorial management of the old Wavelength listserv, destroyed by the > sp*ns*n controversy. > > Facebook has been suggested as a platform for Paddlewise. Perhaps for > photos, but, please, not for text based debate. The FB interface for text > is slow and cumbersome. With several fine email clients out there, seems > crazy not to stick with email as the basis for text, with embedded links to > photos somewhere common. > > > -- > Dave Kruger > Astoria, OR > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I agree with Dave - FB would be quite cumbersome. I like Dave's ideas of how to evolve the whole listserv. There are also other ways to do this- i.e. having a "Forum" with discussion topics that you can subscribe to if you want. That way, you only look at the link to the subjects you are interested in. This works quite well on a site that I use (that has nothing to do with paddling- Ornithology Exchange. http://ornithologyexchange.org/ ) . That way you do not have a huge chain of emails with the cumbersome list of all previous emails. You just have a sequential list of comments on each topic and you can choose to comment or not. If anybody wants, I can find out how to do that. --- Pat Baird Vancouver BC 23 Nov ember 2013 00:34, Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com> wrote: > Thanks to Kurt for his efforts these last ten years and welcome back, > Jackie and Bob! > > An email-based moderated listserv with perhaps a dedicated cache on a > friendly server for photos might be the best way to continue. Several > forums use the popular phpBB software with good results, integrating text > and photos. Of the three or four in which I have participated, the last > ten years, West Coast Paddler has been the best run and may be a model for > where Paddlewise goes. A critical ingredient is strong, hands on > moderation by someone, or a few someones. I know that WCP has a brain > trust in the background which often discusses editorial decisions before > they are implemented. Paddlewise was the fortunate offspring of weak > editorial management of the old Wavelength listserv, destroyed by the > sp*ns*n controversy. > > Facebook has been suggested as a platform for Paddlewise. Perhaps for > photos, but, please, not for text based debate. The FB interface for text > is slow and cumbersome. With several fine email clients out there, seems > crazy not to stick with email as the basis for text, with embedded links to > photos somewhere common. > > > -- > Dave Kruger > Astoria, OR > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
I've got a lengthy comment to make on this, but am otherwise occupied today (and possibly tomorrow) due to the passing of one of my students. So I'm going to ask your collective indulgence while I try to draft a cogent response. The short short version is: mailing lists are vastly superior communications media, which is why those of us who are the most experienced and knowledgeable people on the Internet use them to talk to each other. (And we could use anything we want: heck, we invented most of it.) I'll have a lot more to say, but it'll have to wait. ---rsk *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Sorry to hear of the passing of one of your students. Our thoughts and prayers are with you. Bob On 11/26/2013 5:58 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > I've got a lengthy comment to make on this, but am otherwise occupied > today (and possibly tomorrow) due to the passing of one of my students. > So I'm going to ask your collective indulgence while I try to draft > a cogent response. The short short version is: mailing lists are > vastly superior communications media, which is why those of us who > are the most experienced and knowledgeable people on the Internet > use them to talk to each other. (And we could use anything we want: > heck, we invented most of it.) I'll have a lot more to say, but > it'll have to wait. > > ---rsk > *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Agree WCP is BC, OR, and WA centric. Not suggesting everybody migrate to WCP. Rather, pointing to it as a well run possible model for how Paddlewise could be delivered using phpBb software, and a core of committed moderators. I do not know how much overhead there might be if PW went that way, either in cost or time. Consequently, just laying out that alternative. Frankly, nothing wrong with the existing PW format of email exchange; adding photos on a PW controlled site which Paddlewisers could link to in their emails would be a real plus, and likely increase participation, especially of the international flavor. Limiting access to that photostream might be the sticky part, hence the phpBB suggestion, which is controlled through registration. -- Dave Kruger Astoria, OR -------- Original message -------- From Mark Sanders <marksanders_at_sandmarks.net> Date: 11/23/2013 9:15 AM (GMT-08:00) To Dave Kruger <kdruger_at_pacifier.com>,Paddlewise <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net> Subject Re: [Paddlewise] paddewise ownership Mark wrote: I like the West Coast Paddler site and post there, but feel like an oddball cousin, as it seems geared to northern west coast paddlers. The worldwide scope of Paddlewise was part of its appeal to me. WCP is nice in at least you get an indication of how many people have bothered to check out your post, as often I feel like a tree falling in the woods. Funny that just this morn, I noticed a post on WCP about sp*ns*ns and thought, "OK there they go!" Good thing Dave was there to warn them! I own a pair and like to take them on crossings, but that's about it. On 11/23/2013 12:34 AM, Dave Kruger wrote: > An email-based moderated listserv with perhaps a dedicated cache on a > friendly server for photos might be the best way to continue. Several > forums use the popular phpBB software with good results, integrating > text and photos. Of the three or four in which I have participated, > the last ten years, West Coast Paddler has been the best run and may > be a model for where Paddlewise goes. A critical ingredient is > strong, hands on moderation by someone, or a few someones. I know > that WCP has a brain trust in the background which often discusses > editorial decisions before they are implemented. Paddlewise was the > fortunate offspring of weak editorial management of the old Wavelength > listserv, destroyed [snip] *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Chris, Like many sea kayakers, I've been a subscriber as long, if not longer, than I've been a sea kayaker. And, I have saved every issue--over 24 years worth, as well as several earlier editions that I purchased. I'm personally sorry to see Sea Kayaker Magazine go--it has been an invaluable resource for myself both personally and for the students of sea kayaking that I teach. Sea Kayaker Magazine has brought much joy to my day when I arrive home to find the latest issue in the day's post. Thank You! I wish you and all the staff at Sea Kayaker Magazine all the best. I do hope that your website will remain up for the foreseeable future as I refer to it, and make purchases from time to time. After the last issue is added, I will save the PDF of the index so I can continue to find past articles that I go back and read or refer to in my teachings. Warm Regards, John Browning ACA Instructor Trainer, L4 Coastal Kayak seakayakerjb_at_aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Cunningham <chris_at_seakayakermag.com> To: PaddleWise <PaddleWise_at_paddlewise.net>; jackie <jackie_at_muddypuppies.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 21, 2013 11:51 am Subject: [Paddlewise] Sea Kayaker closing Hi Jackie, I hope you're doing well. Are you still the PaddleWise administrator? I've seen the postings on PW and thought I might offer a note, if you'd post this on my behalf: I've appreciated the many comments made by the PaddleWise community in the wake of the news that Sea Kayaker magazine is closing. We made the first announcements on November 12, and the process of letting people know continues. It's quite true that PaddleWise has been a great resource for Sea Kayaker. It is the one forum that I have regularly followed; a number of writers have come from your ranks and your thoughtful discussions have inspired a number of article ideas. For our final issue were going to be including notes from readers who wanted to comment on the closing of the magazine as well as changes they see in sea kayaking. I'd be happy to hear from Paddlewise members too. You can email me at chris_at_seakayakermag.com Best wishes to you all, Chris Cunningham editor, Sea Kayaker magazine Thanks, Chris Christopher Cunningham Editor, Sea Kayaker magazine P.O Box 17029 Seattle WA 98127 (206) 789-1326 www.seakayakermag.com *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
Hi Chris, On Thursday, November 21, 2013, at 9:50:28 AM PST, you wrote: > I've appreciated the many comments made by the PaddleWise community > in the wake of the news that Sea Kayaker magazine is closing. We > made the first announcements on November 12, and the process of > letting people know continues. I'm sorry to see the magazine go, but it was a good run, and much appreciated by many around the world. When I was just getting interested in paddling, I read the magazine from cover to cover, never missing a thing. Much to enjoy, and much to learn in those pages. One day, I opened my mailbox, and found a picture of me on the cover (April, 1999)! That picture happened to be taken on the very day that was one year from the day I picked up that shiny new boat -- my first kayak. By then, I was living in an oceanfront home, and paddling every day, year 'round. I've since built a wooden boat, but still have, and love paddling that old Caribou as well. I met you a couple times over the years (once on the water, when you were testing your recently built wooden Greenland boat just outside the Shilshole Bay marina). You, and all those who contributed to the magazine have served as inspiration to many of us, and our lives are richer for it. So thanks again, and most importantly, continue enjoying the view from your boat! :) -- Melissa *************************************************************************** PaddleWise Paddling Mailing List - Any opinions or suggestions expressed here are solely those of the writer(s). You must assume the entire responsibility for reliance upon them. All postings copyright the author. Submissions: PaddleWise_at_PaddleWise.net Subscriptions: PaddleWise-request_at_PaddleWise.net Website: http://www.paddlewise.net/ ***************************************************************************
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